Todd Tucker Calls Out Phaedra Parks Over Their Workout Video Feud [VIDEO]

Posted on Apr 3 2016 - 3:03pm by Dani-K

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On part three of The Real Housewives of Atlanta’s Season 8 reunion, tensions boil over between Todd and Phaedra over Apollo and the workout video. Todd blasts Phaedra for playing the victim and asks her how come she knows so much about what he’s up to, and yet, she didn’t know at damn thing Apollo Nida was doing in her own house. 

The showdown between Tucker and Parks stem from Apollo entrusting Kandi’s husband, Todd, with some personal and pricey playthings.

Phaedra admitted during an episode, she resented Kandi’s willingness to hold the property hostage. 

Late last year,US Marshals seized Apollo’s motorcycle and 4-Wheeler ATV, and any property in which Nida has a substantial nonexempt interest. It is a no brainier that Phaedra ratted out her husband to the Feds, and directed them to where he was hiding his valuable goods.

That’s only part of Tucker‘s beef with the ATL attorney. Two seasons ago, Todd produced a “Donkey Booty” workout DVD for Parks. Phaedra stiffed Todd out of the full payment and bashed the new dad on camera, implying he was broke and desperate for money.

Phaedra finally paid Tucker a week before the reunion taped. Convenient or strategic?

Check out a preview below and tune in tonight for part 3 of the RHOA reunion on Bravo at 8/7c.

 

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  • Mags

    Good for Todd! Angela Statton all the way!

    • Marsbars09

      Hey Mags! So nice to bump into you! You’re the first to comment on this thread.
      Mags, I don’t know if you agree, but I think there is a lot more going on than Todd and Fake arguing over money and whether she called the Feds on the Tuckers’ for storing Apollo’s contraband. I think Todd and Kandi know that Fake was aware of Apollo’s illegal activities. Hell, I believe she was behind some of his activities. Did you know she served on a board for one of his criminal enterprises? And she didn’t know what she was participating in was illegal? Come on! I think that’s what Todd was alluding to when he said Fake was so educated yet she didn’t have a clue Apollo was committing crimes right under her snout.

      • MidwestMiddie

        Which business of Apollo’s did Phaedra serve on as a Board Member?
        Perhaps she didn’t know he put her name on his listing. : )

        • Marsbars09

          Hi MM! I think it had something to do with the auto repossession business.
          And you know Fake had no idea what Apollo did for a living!

          • MidwestMiddie

            My Guess — She had no idea he put her name on the
            Board of his business. I’m not familiar with any auto repossession business. I’m willing to give Phaedra the benefit on this …….. : )

            Does Cynthia think everything Peter is doing is legal?
            What about Todd?

          • Marsbars09

            I think Fake is as lowdown and dirty as they come. I don’t believe she had absolutely no idea what Apollo was doing. I also think she was involved somehow in his criminal activities.
            I have no idea what Cynthia thinks about Peter’s business dealings. They live separate lives now you know.

          • MidwestMiddie

            Are you referring to Apollo getting fraudulent loans vs auto repossession?

          • Marsbars09

            Apollo was convicted of both crimes.

    • GetReal2014

      Ha ha ha. I agree. Phaedra was trying to go down a side street. Apollo and Todd hanging out had nothing to do with her not paying, on a deal that she said was between her and Todd and Apollo had nothing to do with it. If that’s the case, she was hanging out with Kandi and Todd at the same time, knowing that she didn’t pay Todd his money.

  • Marsbars09

    Now that’s what I’m talking about. Todd hit the nail right on the head when he said Fake is supposed to be so educated yet she had no idea Apollo was running criminal enterprises right under her nose. Even Kandi and Nene were nodding their heads in agreement. And regarding payment of the exercise video, I do recall Todd and Fake working exclusively together on the video; Apollo was never a part of the budget or financing, so it would make sense that Todd would deal directly with Fake.
    And I thought it was an especially low blow that Fake brought up Todd’s late mother. What does she have to do with her and Apollo’s dirty deeds?

    • MidwestMiddie

      Hey, Mars……
      I’m going to disagree with you. Apollo went out nights and often during daytime
      hours….”clubbing.” When Phaedra asked him, he said he was hanging out with the guys……and he was at Strip Clubs, etc.. IF she asked him if he was doing anything illegal do you think he would have told her the truth? What was she suppose to do? Who knows, maybe she did tell someone in authority about her concerns but she sure as heck isn’t going to admit it. She has 2 sons to think about and be concerned about their safety.
      Why was it a low blow to remind Todd of the favor she did for him when his mother
      passed away? She was reminding him that she treated him as a friend. What has
      he done for her has a friend….nothing!
      Also, it is unbecoming of him to take on Phaedra when he shut his mouth and
      allowed rotten Mama Joyce to publicly demean his mother.

      IMO === Todd and Peter knew exactly what Apollo was doing and they didn’t tell
      Phaedra or the police.

      • Marsbars09

        That’s cool MM. Fake didn’t need to ask Apollo if he was up to no good because I believe she knew he was already up to no good. How do you explain your hubby spending thousands of dollars per night at a strip club? That right there are sirens.
        It wasn’t clear on the video clip the kind of favor Fake did for Todd’s mother. It could have been anything. But if it was for her funeral then I’ll give Fake credit for helping someone during a difficult time.
        And I agree that Todd and Kandi knew they were storing Apollo’s contraband against their better judgment.

      • Margroc

        Isn’t it against the law to hide property for a criminal? I would have though so. Also Todd looks like a pussy. He went for over a year without sending her an invoice or reminders, then he decides to collect without giving her the finished product. Spoke about her to everyone he came across. I don’t really like Phaedra but I would take her over Todd and Kandy any day. I cannot stand those two.

  • Anica1

    Sounds like Phaedra may have provided funeral services or some sort of help after the passing of Todd’s mom. He should not have accepted her help if he was going to continue talking smack about her. Todd and Kandi look super shady after hiding Apollo, the abusive thugs, things….

    • Marsbars09

      Hi Anica! I haven’t heard of Fake helping Todd out with his mother’s arrangements. I was wondering why Fake mentioned Todd’s mother.

      • Anica1

        It was on the video up above….Phaedra said it and Todd didn’t dispute it….I don’t know that the favor she did was the services….just a guess…..but she helped him somehow….my Mother in law passed away recently and trust me…everyone who helped our family with that will forever be in our good graces!!

        • Marsbars09

          I saw the clip but didn’t know what favor Fake was speaking of.
          And I’m sorry to hear about your mother-in-law’s passing. And from a person that has helped with funeral arrangements I know how important it is to get all the emotional and spiritual support you can.

          • Anica1

            Thank you..so nice of you. Everyone did everything for us…..it really makes you see what is important in life…and not take life for granted…☺

          • Marsbars09

            You’re welcome and your comment is so true.

  • UndergroundExpress

    This whole thing is stupid. First of all I think Kandi should have told Todd not to do a business deal with one of her friends. Seeing how Kim Zolciak-Biermann stiffed her out of money. Second even if Fakedra being the low down dirty snake she is didn’t pay Todd, Todd went about it all wrong. You don’t wait two years after the fact and then ask your pregnant wife to go and collect the money. And as far as she knowing about Apollo’s wrongdoings if it was so obvious why didn’t he think Apollo was trying to hide property from the Feds? I don’t think Phaedra called the Feds on them. I think one of the Federal agents watch TV and saw the illegal property on the screen.

    • Marsbars09

      Hi Underground! I agree about friends not doing business with each other. It’s also been suggested Apollo went after Fake two years after the business deal because he and Kandi didn’t like the fact that Fake didn’t support Apollo after he was sentenced and for not taking the boys to see Apollo in prison. I don’t think it was ever about the money. I think it’s the same reason Todd and Kandi agreed to store Apollo’s contraband without Fake’s knowledge.

      • MidwestMiddie

        I think this was nothing more than a storyline for Kandi and Todd. The only
        other thing they had going on was her pregnancy.
        However, way back in one of the earliest seasons, Kandi talked about how
        she had cousins in prison and remembers visiting them. All of that is fine but
        if Todd was sent to Fort Dix for 8 years like Apollo, I’ll bet Kandi would not be
        taking Baby Ace to visit him at all or very often. She should learn to keep her mouth shut because we’ve all seen how willing she has been in allowing her mother to be violently nasty and threatening to people for no reason. Since Kandi becomes mute when questioned about her violent
        mean and rotten mother, she should be the same when questioned about others.

        • Marsbars09

          I couldn’t agree with you more. It wasn’t Kandi’s place to comment on whether Fake should take her boys to see Apollo in prison.

          • MidwestMiddie

            I still can’t get the photo taken of Kandi with Baby Ace in
            Kandi’s disgustingly filthy and unsafe kitchen out of my mind.
            Each time I see her…..I recall that photo!
            She really needs to check herself……BIG TIME. She’s always
            had gaudy ugly taste in furnishings but I had no idea she was
            opposed to soap and water OR hiring a cleaning service.
            Can’t imagine what her bathroom looks like ………..

          • Marsbars09

            I didn’t know the photo affected you that deeply MM.
            And I too can’t reconcile the amount of wealth Kandi possesses in comparison to how she lives. It’s like she lives a Section 8 lifestyle, if you know what I mean. She has the money to hire a housekeeper or staff to keep her home clean and immaculate. No need for big nasty stains on your carpet.

          • MidwestMiddie

            That photo didn’t affect me personally. LOL
            I was embarrassed for her. The kitchen was disgusting!
            Her kitchen floor was so dirty I’m surprised she isn’t still stuck
            standing there. : )
            It’s like looking at Yolanda for all of these months. She looked
            like a dirty woman who hadn’t bathed or shampooed her hair in weeks. She looked like had a bad odor to her. Nasty!!

            What is it with these characters? You know the “glamorous”
            ones from Bravo. Eye Roll

          • Marsbars09

            Girl, I thought you were all into your feelings about Kandi’s living situation. LOL!
            I don’t know what’s with these wealthy women. If I had their money I’d have my house and personal appearance in order.

          • MidwestMiddie

            Yes, we already know how to live like classy wealthy women.
            What’s missing is our 6 or 7 figure Bravo paychecks. : )

          • Marsbars09

            Oh MM. 🙂

          • Nick’s daughter

            Exactly THIS!! ⬆⬆BRAVO should show US some money!! 💰💲💵 (some for MwM & Mars )

          • MidwestMiddie

            : )

          • Jersey

            Where can I see this photo? 🙂

          • MidwestMiddie

            Go to the Top of the AATT –
            In the Search Box on the far right – type in:
            Kandi and Baby Ace Photo – Click
            Scroll Down to:
            “Photos – Reality Star Pix Saturday” February 13, 2016

            Kandi’s photo of her holding Baby Ace while standing in
            her kitchen is on the bottom right.

            Notice the hair appliances on the kitchen counter, the cords
            hanging down to the filty floor and the hair extensions on the
            kitchen counter …….along with food, of course. UGH!!

          • Jersey

            thank you 🙂

          • MidwestMiddie

            You’re welcome.
            : )

          • chacha1

            did she have her hair bonnet on LMAO … she always looks nasty and did you see how her mother trashed the other house she bought her

          • chacha1

            Oh and that horrible wedding dress …. she is trash with cash

        • chacha1

          Exactly

    • tapestry10

      How Kandi keeps a secret: she talks about it on national tv. She volunteers information on national tv about other people. Great friend, great person.

      • chacha1

        IKR …. and didn’t the feds nail Treapes ass for a few of the counts after her buying spree when she was licking her man fingers and counting off $100 bills on the show

        • tapestry10

          You know, I always wondered about that. I remember thinking at the time that that’s a pretty stupid way to pay a bill when you’re on television and she was peeling off thousands, as I recall. “licking her man fingers” That’s funny! LOL

  • tapestry10

    Kandi now looks and acts exactly like her mother. All that’s missing are the bangs.

    • Betty

      Ooooo, you’re right. She is speeding in that direction. Some people may not like Phaedra, but I do for whatever reason. Her kids are darling and her mom is very nice. Everyone Kandi has around her is icky. Carmen, Don Juan, her mother, her. aunts, etc. Ew

      • Abby_Wabby

        Kandi is a bitch and Todd is a mitch….they deserve each other imho.

        • chacha1

          ITA, she is nasty and I wish Bravo would drop that whole family, they have nothing to offer and I am tired of hearing about her nasty dildos

      • tapestry10

        There’s a current of viciousness that runs through the whole pack of them, though I think Carmen is just a victim of Kandi and Joyce.

  • BetteDavisEyez1

    They showed a clip of Kandi on WWHL admitting they were holding Apollo’s 4 wheeler & she is the one that told Andy that Peter & Cynthia were also holding Apollo’s car.
    Peter then said the Feds told him they saw the WWHL show, but for some strange reason those facts are being ignored. Anything to continue to blame Phae I guess.

    • Abby_Wabby

      Hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii my sagi sista love….how you doin shuga? I REALLY dislike Todd now…he’s become just like Mama Joyless

      • BetteDavisEyez1

        Abby Wabby!! How are you, lovey?!?
        Todd showed his whole ass tonight. Phaedra should wash her hands of Kandi. She (Kandi) is no one’s friend.

        • Abby_Wabby

          I’m good….I need to go to be cos I have to jet to work in a few hours…Phaedra just needs to move on at this point. That relationship is done…to think it was Phaedra who introduced Todd to Kandi. SMDH Rumor has it that Kandi is now besties with Krayonce….go figure. Anyhoo have a terrific week…smooooches

          • BetteDavisEyez1

            One Love my Sagi Sistah. Have a blessed & wonderful week. Kiss, kiss.😘😘

          • Abby_Wabby

            I awe so adore you…..I miss you commenting on RT….what gives?

          • BetteDavisEyez1

            Where do I begin?!? LMAO!!

          • Abby_Wabby

            Uh oh….I smell a stoooorry (in my whinny Adrienne Maloof voice)

          • BetteDavisEyez1

            I thought I gave you my email address.
            If we get into it, I will be accused of snickering & LOL with my friends, making fun of others, complaining & being a big ole meany….
            BAHAHAHA!!
            How are you, Sweets?!?

          • Abby_Wabby

            oooooh dat wd be quite lovely….nope don’t got ur e m ail luv! LMBO they accuse me of that errday but don’t kurr…..I’ve been flagged by MJ a few times too….so I stick to tlkg to her ONLY on RHOBH cos we both love Pinky…

          • BetteDavisEyez1

            What is up with that?!? Flagging posts because the poster doesn’t agree with you?!?
            If you(fig) say A & I say B, that does not warrant a “flag”. Some people can not handle someone having a different point of view. They get defensive, starting freaking out, flagging, complaining to mods. It is just crazy to me.

          • Abby_Wabby

            Well that one does it really well. Anyhoo abt that e ma il??? She keeps flagging me on RHOA posts and Krayonce posts even when I am NOT speaking to her directly. Sheesh… get passionate for LVP but no one else….not even NL.

          • BetteDavisEyez1

            You just answered your own question as to why I am not posting at the other place.
            Flagging just because someone doesn’t share the same point of view.
            Now they have free reign over the whole site. The others are elsewhere pulling the same stunts they did over there. Blogging is not for me. I realize & except it. No biggie…
            It is not serious enough for me to make up a new handle in order to post over there. Simple as that.

        • tapestry10

          True dat

          • Nick’s daughter

            😅 Good morning tapestry! ☕ I am starting Monday with a giggle!

          • tapestry10

            Good evening, N.d. We’re on different cycles!

          • Nick’s daughter

            We must have the biggest time difference, you are Right. But soon, I’ll be back in the Midwest! I have to adjust my eating/sleeping schedule. Then, I may show up here in time to chat with you, I hope so. 🐶

      • tapestry10

        lies down with dogs…wake up with fleas…

        • Abby_Wabby

          PREACH

    • moms mabley

      oh how soon they forget

      • BetteDavisEyez1

        Selective amnesia is what it is.
        How are you, Moms Mably. Missed you much.

    • tapestry10

      Seems like the only one who ratted anyone out was Kandi, ratting out Cynthia and Uncle Ben.

      • chacha1

        Kandi is a mean smelly greasy bitch who talks thru her snarling teeth and yells when she ain’t sucking on a chicken leg …… I did not miss her mean ass this season and wish she would just go away and take Mr. Potato Head, her nasty mother and her mean daughter with her

        • tapestry10

          True, true, true.

      • BetteDavisEyez1

        Thank you. I thought I was the only one to pick that up.
        It is like you get busted for doing something & you come out of nowhere & say “well so & so did this!!”
        Kandi was the one that brought up Cynthia & Peter while on WWHL. Kandi & Todd started the season off in their garage discussing Apollo’s possession, but the Feds show up & you blame Phaedra?!? I am calling BS on their argument.

        • tapestry10

          So am I. What Kandi did was horrible. It betrayed her friends, her husband’s friends, her husband, and it potentially could have gotten Phaedra arrested for hiding stolen goods, which she wasn’t doing.

          • BetteDavisEyez1

            So true. However, there is this picture painted of Phaedra “the mastermind” of Apollo’s scams.
            Kandi is supposedly in the right for taking Apollo’s side because he got caught & Phaedra didn’t. That makes absolutely no sense to me because if you are willing to support someone like Apollo, why would you be angry at the one that got away with the crimes?!?
            I guess you can convince yourself of anything when the hate runs that deep. SMH

    • chacha1

      IKR ….. That big headed asshole with his stick legs got his money when Apollo should have given it to him before he went to prison …. it was Apollo and Phae’s video ….. and he fails to mention he did not finish the video but held it hostage ….. I would have told him to shove it up his ass ….. he does terrible work and is the opportunist that he was accused of being …..

      • BetteDavisEyez1

        You get no argument from me, chacha1. Todd used Phaedra owing him $8,500 as an excuse to attack her & to get his own SL.
        Todd & Peter were the only husbands to have a TH(confessional) & whenever Todd did, he was promoting that OLG restaurant & dogging out Phaedra. Everytime he got with the other men, what did he bring up?!? Phaedra owing him money. Need I saw more?!?

  • moms mabley

    Boy I sure do feel like “dragging Kandi’s azz”

  • chacha1

    STFU Mr. Potato Head, what is the matter ? Kandi not giving you enough allowance ? and while you were with Apollo who was spending $2000. a night on strippers (his words) why didn’t you hit him up for the money …..

    • ScrappieONE

      Sorry Chacha this is one time I can’t agree with you… I despise Phaedra, she is so shady.

  • Mags

    Thank you Todd for speaking up! Someone finally shut that thieving, lying bit*h down! Angela Staton all the way!

    • Bobbi

      🙌🏼 yaassss!

    • GetReal2014

      On board that AS train since day one.

  • ScrappieONE

    You go Todd, it’s about time someone calls out that lying sack of silicone. Phaedra was feeling defeated so she had to play lowball by bringing Toddy’s mother into it. Well no wonder Bob Whitfield beat you donkey face in court

    • Bobbi

      Exactly. She is a liar. She is crooked and she is dumb as hail.

      • GetReal2014

        Dumb and crooked. Say those two words in regards to the HW franchise and Phaedra’s name will come up 100% of the time. LOL when people reference her as smart. She’s stupid. She actually thought paying Todd his money a week before the reunion aired was going to shut him up after two years of non-payment?
        )
        Did she forget that she said on tape:
        1. I make money in my sleep. (So why didn’t you pay him?). Todd is not Kandi, he doesn’t give two F’s about Phaedra, and rightly so.
        2. Todd offered me an unfinished product, although she had the cancelled checks to prove that she paid (liar).
        3. I paid Todd $30,000.
        4. Todd gets an allowance (although he’s a working producer and has been for a while, while her own huzzband carried a backpack and had no discernible job).

        WTH does she think is gullible enough to fall for these absurd and extremely weak azz lies?

    • GetReal2014

      And Kim Z. beat her dumb azz too. She’s not very smart, I’m sorry.

  • Rosalie Parker

    .This wimp didn’t even defend his mother with this ferocity. Phaedra should have paid him but there are other factors about why he is going so hard for Phaedra. Todd and Peter disapprove of the way Phaedra treated Apollo and him and Kandi think Phaedra called the Feds. I thought Todd was doing okay and there was no need for Kandi to intervene. I am glad Phaedra settled the debt and let’s see what storyline Mr. and Mrs. Burruss come up with next season.

    • chacha1

      Maybe how Todd left her because of her dirty smelly hair bonnet she wears to bed every night and her 10 dildos buzzing away

  • Bobbi

    Todd “untold” every lie that Phaedra used during the season to try and get out of hot water and gain public support. Like, the fact that Phaedra clearly and specifically told Todd to leave Apollo out of it. Yet, during the season, she tried to make it seem as if Apollo was a part of the deal and Todd should have asked Apollo. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out why Phaedra had such a request.

    Todd and Kandi threw a couple of truth daggers. One- Phaedra knew what Apollo was doing. Two- Kandi said, “Phaedra you work on your get back now.” Kandi has seen Phaedra in action and knows exactly what she is capable of. She doesn’t trust this lying, vindictive, crook and I don’t blame her! Not only am I convinced Phaedra reported Kandi and Cynthia but, I am certain Phaedra turned Apollo in.

    • chacha1

      if Phaedra was a crook then the Feds would have indicted her already, they do not care if she is a lawyer, a doctor, an indian chief or the mother of 2 small boys

      • Bobbi

        I don’t need the Feds to tell me what to me is common sense. Why do people assume you need an arrest or a judge to tell you that someone is guilty? Her own friends are using their common sense and it doesn’t matter whether they are mad at her or not. They are finally speaking what they have always known. A blind man can see Phaedra’s duplicity in Apollo’s crimes.
        There are plenty of guilty people on this planet who have not been indicted. It doesn’t make them any less guilty.

        • BetteDavisEyez1

          Innocent. Until proven guilty in a court of law. No?!?

          • Bobbi

            Bette, Didn’t you complain about me extensively over on RT? Didn’t you wish that board could go back to the “way it used to be” before I got there? So, if I was such a problem for you, why are you posting to me over here?

            Oh sure, I know that you are posting to me because “the rules” say you can but, why would you?
            What kind of person continues to post to someone they clearly dislike, have had contentious discourse with in the past and still complains about constantly? Even worse, why would you continue to post to someone you know wishes not to communicate with you? You know that I have not answered any of your posts to me for close to a year so, why do you insist? Real talk.
            Oh sure, this particular post to me is innocent enough but, this is the way the chats with you always start. It’s how they end that I have a problem with.

            I post to laugh and have fun with posters who are agreeable or who if we don’t agree can at least handle a difference of opinion. I already know that you cannot. I stopped communicating with you close to a year ago for this reason and being on a a different board changes nothing for me. I don’t wish to communicate with you and I am requesting you stop posting to me. I don’t care what you think or feel about this show or its cast. We’ve already had this dance and it wasn’t cute.
            I am not about to start this bullchit competition you love to have over your faves of a reality show on this board so, just skip past me ok? I don’t consider it fun. It’s juvenile and I want no parts of it.
            Now, you can go complain, snicker, post up with your friends about my reply to you, I don’t care as long as you respect my request but, If you continue to post to me based on what I have outlined, this clearly identifies you as the problem I see you constantly complaining about.

          • GetReal2014

            No words for how good this post is. Speechless.

          • Bobbi

            Thanks, GetReal. It had to be said. I don’t want trouble, I’m just over here to post my opinions and have fun with all of you just as I have always done. Later for all that “to be continued” competitive BS trying to creep over here from RT that I tried to avoid in the first place. I won’t even think about starting that dialogue again, no matter how innocent it looks. I’m not interested.

          • GetReal2014

            I’ve experienced the same thing so I know what you’re talking about. These blogs are for us to discuss our reactions to the show…nothing more. I’m not going down that road either. I don’t enjoy confrontation. I find it unnecessary and messy. Live, laugh, love and if you can’t do that I’m not interested. Live and let live.

          • Bobbi

            🙌🏼💯

          • BetteDavisEyez1

            I can chat with anyone without it turning nasty. Anyone can respond to any of my posts without me getting defensive.
            “Real Talk” you seem to be the one that has a problem with posters that do not agree with you. That is more your issue. Not mine.
            However, I will respect your position & avoid replying to any of your posts since opposing points of view seem to be taken as personal attacks.
            Have a good one.

        • GetReal2014

          Absolutely, am I not a murderer if I killed someone but I haven’t been caught yet? I don’t get that either. There are tons of people who have committed crimes that they haven’t been caught for, but they’re still a criminal.

          That’s like burglars. They don’t always get caught, but they’re still burglars, ergo, criminals.

          • Bobbi

            Thank you! Many people say “she would have been indicted if she was guilty” or, “Innocent Until Proven Guilty” as if the courts and a judge nullifies your ability to use your own common sense, logic and rationale. Yes, the courts matter as it applies to the law. A thief standing outside of the courtroom and the prison is still a thief.

          • GetReal2014

            I don’t think that’s true at all. Look at how long it took the Feds to catch Al Capone. They knew what he was doing, but they had to make sure their case was airtight so that some hotshot lawyer didn’t get him off, but make no mistake, Mr. Capone was a criminal, even if he had never gone before a judge. That’s like saying, “I’m not thief, if you didn’t see me do it.” No, you’re still a thief if you steal.

          • Bobbi

            Great example. What’s even better about your awesome example is that the Feds couldn’t even get him on the crimes they knew he was guilty of and wanted him for; Probibition, racketeering, theft, etc.
            They finally arrested him on tax evasion…. because they couldn’t find enough evidence for the other things. If Capone had paid his taxes he never would have gone to jail. So this notion that you’re only guilty if you’re caught is silly.

          • GetReal2014

            I must be sleepy because I thought I put that in there about tax evasion. Capone was guilty of all of those things, but proving it in a court of law and not allowing the guilty to go free is a whole ‘nother ball of wax. They couldn’t prove it, but they kept on until they caught his behind. It’s always just a matter of time.

            And if he had paid his taxes, he wouldn’t have spent a day in jail, but he was still a criminal regardless of what any judge says, or doesn’t say.

            Sometimes it takes decades to catch a criminal, but they usually get them in the end. There is no such thing as a perfect crime.

          • Bobbi

            Yep. There you go.

          • GetReal2014

            🙂

    • GetReal2014

      Of course she did, and she also gave him that phone on her last visit…more time for Apollo. Children or no children I wouldn’t deal with this snake. Don’t they have supervised visits. Someone would have to be my proxy. She is as evil as the day is long.

      • Bobbi

        I still have to read that but, it certainly sounds like some shady ish Phaedra would do.

        • GetReal2014

          They don’t say that in the article, that’s just my take on it, looking at the timeline and all, and you know how dirty Fake is. He’s been there for over two years; no report of a cell phone. Soon as Phake goes, he’s got a cell phone.
          My theory: She gives him the phone, goes home and then calls into the prison anonymously to alert personnel. That’s how little I trust this chick. I know she called the Feds on Kandi and Cynthia. That’s just the kind of crap she does. Phaedra gets no benefit of the doubt with me. If there’s something shady going down, she either did it, or master-minded it. Did you see her smug smirk when they talked about the Feds? She did it.

          • Bobbi

            I’m with you. I believe Phaedra gave him that phone as well. Who knows why. Maybe she needs him to tie up some loose ends. Maybe someone is bribing them and she wants him to deal with it. He certainly can’t use the phones they monitor.
            Apollo has been in Prison for how long now – Going on 2 years? Why did he all of a sudden get caught with a phone after Phaedra’s visit.?

          • GetReal2014

            She’s a real piece of work, isn’t she? Everywhere she goes, deceit and trickery follows. No visits from Phaedra=no phone. Phaedra visits, phone confiscated…immediately. Crazy.