Q&A with Attorney Stacy Slotnick on Giudice Legal Issues

Posted on Oct 16 2014 - 10:50am by Stacy Slotnick, Esq.

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Attorney, Stacy Slotnick explores in a Q&A the legal issues of Teresa and Joe Giudice

Please join All About The Tea TODAY at 1:00 p.m. ET for a no holds barred discussion on the “Real Housewives of New Jersey” stars various legal matters.

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Today’s Agenda:

  • Bankruptcy fraud
  • Divorce
  • Deportation
  • Restitution
  • Prison Allocation
  • Separation of their debt
  • Tax Evasion
  • Wendy Feldman
  • Joe’s DMV case
  • Etc.

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About the Author

Stacy Slotnick, a.k.a. The Foxy Jurist, holds a J.D., cum laude, from Touro Law Center and a B.A., summa cum laude, from the University of Massachusetts Amherst Commonwealth Honors College. Stacy is the recipient of the Honors Deans Award; Simon and Satenig Ermonian Memorial Scholarship; College of Social and Behavioral Sciences Opportunity Scholarship; and College of Humanities and Fine Arts Scholarship. She is also a William F. Field Alumni Scholar, an honor bestowed upon the most academically distinguished students. In law school, Stacy won two CALI Excellence For The Future Awards® and received an Achievement Scholarship. She is a member of the New York Bar. As an entertainment lawyer, Stacy counsels clients on contracts, branding, and public relations strategy. She negotiates with agents, producers, production companies, and lawyers to secure rights to projects on behalf of high-profile clients. Her clever, spirited, no holds barred legal analysis can be found in articles for The Huffington Post. * Facebook   * LinkedIn   * Twitter

  • michey

    Thanks so much for taking our questions Stacy you’re the best! My first question is about the bankruptcy. Do they still owe the 13 million dollars?

    • Stacy Slotnick

      Thank YOU for starting the Q&A off right with an excellent query! The short of it is, yes! In September of this year, a judge denied a motion filed by the Giudices to discharge their 2009 bankruptcy filing, meaning they still face $13 million in claims.

      • jamesche85

        Hi Stacy, thank you in advance for answering my question. This concerns Joe when he will be watching his children, while his wife is doing time. Joe has admitted to excessive drinking and popping a controlled substance. Why was this not brought up at yesterdays hearing when he wanted to get his driver’s license or at his previous trial concerning his ability to be a responsible parent?

  • michey

    What will happens if Teresa does not surrender on January 5th?

    • Stacy Slotnick

      Do you think this is a possibility? I would hope not and I truly believe the added negative repercussions would make Teresa not tempt fate and further time away from “her girls.” If you are sentenced to jail and you do not show up a warrant will be issued for your arrest. When you appear before the judge, he or she can sentence you to additional time.

  • michey

    Does Immigration have to wait to start deportation proceedings against Joe until after he serves his time?

    • Stacy Slotnick

      Yes. Deportation proceedings will not commence until probably sometime in 2019. Joe may be handcuffed upon release after serving his 41 months and brought into the immigration system. That legal battle will last for years and appeals could take significant time and cost him in exorbitant legal fees.

      • michey

        Would Joe be held in custody while the proceedings take place?

        • Stacy Slotnick

          You should have viewed my immigration statutes book in law school. The thing was thousands of pages. But I had an amazing immigration law professor who explained that the chief thing to know about immigration law is that unlike criminal law, “defendants” have few if any legally recognizable rights because they, in essence, are not supposed to be in this country. Immigrants in deportation proceedings can be held in jail and forced to proceed against trained government lawyers with no legal assistance whatsoever.

          • michey

            Thanks Stacy! In your legal opinion do you think Joe will be deported?

  • michey

    For those that may not understand yet Teresa can’t appeal her sentence because in her plea deal there is no appeal. Is this correct?

    • Stacy Slotnick

      That is correct. A plea deal can be appealed if the judge gives you a sentence that’s more severe than the one in the plea agreement. However, this was not the case here as Judge Salas gave Teresa LESS time than the maximum sentence according to the guidelines and plea deal.

  • michey

    How could Joe ever get a Social security card to get a DL if he is not a US resident?

  • Shy-ra

    Hi Stacy and thank you for offering your professional insight! Why do the “Son of Sam” laws not apply to Teresa in regards to the news that a “tell-all” book will be written? And why are they allowed to continue on with the Bravo network? Shouldn’t they be fired instead of being offered spin-offs? They’re FELONS!? I’m boiling that a Teresa “spin off” is supposedly in the works. What a disgrace.

    • Stacy Slotnick

      Great question. To make sure criminals do not profit from their crimes, practically every state has some sort of law for taking the profits of crime out of the defendant’s pocket. Thus , Son of Sam laws are designed to make sure defendants can’t cash in on their crime’s fame or notoriety. However, when the federal government has historically attempted to enforce these Son of Sam laws, they run into pushback from the courts, who adjudge said laws to have a chilling effect on the press and are therefore in contravention of the rights prescribed in the First Amendment. Dozens of Son of Sam laws are struck down by the courts.

    • Stacy Slotnick

      In this instance, white collar criminals like Teresa and Joe could be prevented by these laws from profiting off their misdeeds — in theory. If they receive $ from Bravo or a publishing house, the victims of their crimes could seek to seize these profits. The Son of Sam law and its progeny could only apply to them if the couple spelled out explicitly the details about how they committed the fraud, in, say, a memoir or television special, in order for their profits to be seized under the law.

    • Stacy Slotnick

      The course I believe they will chart in the years to come is they will speak or write more generally about their family life and prison experiences. In said instances the Son of Sam law wouldn’t apply.

      • Shy-ra

        Thanks for the explanation. Still, it’s infuriating though – the fact that they can make easy money to pay off their debts while still satisfying her ego that she’s a “star”. Shameful. Sad that there’s a market for it

        • Stacy Slotnick

          No doubt they and their public relations team are trying to develop pitch ideas for when Teresa is released. She has said over and over that she is the breadwinner, and when she is released sometime in late 2015 or early 2016, you can bet her bottom dollar (which probably isn’t worth much), that she’ll have concepts to pitch to publishers and networks.

        • concernedcitizenofbrant

          I hope you people are trying to get Michael Vick kicked out of the NFL if you feel this way about the Guidices. His crimes were heinous and extremely cruel, yet no one hears a squeal about him earning millions in the NFL>

          • Shy-ra

            Seriously – I’m in 100% agreement with you – he’s another one! I’d have serious issues with my team if they ever considered hiring him. At least he didn’t weasel out of prison. And I certainly would never buy any tell-all book he comes out with either.

  • michey

    I think it’s possible Teresa is still going to try and get out of reporting to prison. She is a master at delaying things. I hope I’m wrong but time will tell.

    • Shy-ra

      I’m with you michey – she’s going to try like hell anyway.

      • michey

        Nothing she tries now will surprise me at all

  • michey

    Can the creditors take possession of any or all of the Giudice homes?

    • nan/4

      And jewelry? Furs? Why are they not being confiscated? Why have these things not been SEIZED by the Feds? Why are they being permitted to “sell” their homes? The Feds should have taken over the sale of the homes, NO? They seem to be given a lot more slack than most people who have been found guilty of much less.

      Thanks Stacy! 🙂

      • Stacy Slotnick

        You are right. These items should and likely will be seized in the coming months. But from a real estate perspective, the creditors will want T&J’s homes to be sold through a traditional sale because it will make them more money in the long term.

    • Stacy Slotnick

      Yes, however it behooves creditors to allow the sale of the Giudice homes to proceed as a regular, non-foreclosure, non-short sale situation because they will get their money back faster with a traditional house sale. Though, it does not look like the price tag on their $4 million Towaco home is justified as its been on the market for several months during a real estate upswing in New Jersey.

  • michey

    The 18 month suspended sentence for Joe from yesterday means that the sentence won’t start until he goes to prison after Teresa gets out is that correct?

    • Stacy Slotnick

      That is correct. In effect, he won’t serve more time because of the plea in the ID case, angering many.

  • TheBeverlyHillsHaveEyes

    Hello Stacy! Thank you and AAtT for this, it’s much appreciated. if Joe is deported after his prison term what happens with his debt in the US? Even if some assets are sold before he is kicked out he will no doubt still owe a considerable amount – the banks can take back the properties but what about other creditors? How can they pursue if he is in Italy? I wonder if Joe and Teresa might see Italy as a better option if it means they can walk away.

    • Stacy Slotnick

      Oh my goodness. I LOVE how informed AATT fans and posters are. Your questions seriously rock my legal world. His debt would still be due and owing. Just because someone is deported does not wipe the slate clean. Compare it for a moment to the extradition treaty U.S. has with Italy. Par example, if Amanda Knox is found guilty again, U.S. has to surrender her. U.S. would work out deal with Italy where Joe’s wages are garnished or money continues to be paid as per a judgment.

      • TheBeverlyHillsHaveEyes

        I love the AAtT posters too 🙂 thanks so much for that answer and taking the time to share your considerable knowledge! It’s great to know that they can’t just walk away from that debt, especially for the smaller businesses they.

  • TartLemon

    Hi Stacy. Thank you for joining us.

  • TartLemon

    If they divorce and Joe is deported, how will the debt be divided?

    • Stacy Slotnick

      They will still have to pay restitution of more than $400,000.

      • TartLemon

        What about the $13 MILLION?

        • nan/4

          Yeah Tart! I want to know too!!!!!!!!

          • michey

            I do too!

  • Anne Green

    Hi Stacy!!! In both your personal and legal opinion, where do you see the Giudice’s five years from now?

    • Stacy Slotnick

      Hi Anne Green! Thanks for joining me today. 🙂 That is a question I have to put my “public relations” hat on for. Do I think its a distinct possibility Teresa will overcome this major blemish on her record and be the next Martha Stewart? Probably not, however there are many publishers and television producers who will offer Teresa a deal that her creditors and the courts will want her to take. She is going to be paying back for her mistakes for a very long time, and I do see her in the limelight five years from now. What do you think? Where do you think she will be?

      • nan/4

        Hopefully in Italy. :-/

        • michey

          I agree they all need to leave our country

      • Anne Green

        I think that behind the scenes, Teresa is very angry at Joe and feels betrayed by him. I think she believed his “everybody does this” and “we won’t get caught” scheme. I see her divorcing him for financial purposes. She will inherit her share of the debt which, as you stated, may be somewhat “doable” due to her remaining in the limelight.

        • Stacy Slotnick

          My money is on you. I think we saw real emotions on WWHL in which Teresa feels betrayed by Joe and she only wants her daughters to be OK. She knows this was his mail and wire fraud scheme.

          • WestCoastFeed

            On top of that. Stacy, I think she knew deep down that it was illegal all along, but decided to go along with the risk.

          • Anne Green

            I feel the same way. She knew what she was doing was wrong and illegal but put blind trust and faith in her husband. That is why she consistently states that what she has learned from all of this is never to sign anything without knowing the exact contents of what you are signing first.

      • TartLemon

        I don’t believe the public will be so forgiving. Her only talent was flaunting the stuff she stole. Teresa was the FACE of the products, but not the brains. Martha Stewart was/is the face brains and all.

        IMO, those corporations who paid Teresa for the face will have moved on to another faux celebrity. This is an opinion coming from someone (me) who truly believes humans were deposited here on Earth by aliens.

  • WestCoastFeed

    Hi, Stacy. Thanks in advance for being here for our questions

    The judge ordered Teresa and Joe to keep their business accounts separate from their personal accounts. Since the order was given to each of them individually, some bloggers have taken that to mean that Teresa and Joe need to keep accounts separate from each other. Can you clarify this for us, please?

    • Stacy Slotnick

      I believe Judge Salas is honing in on the idea that Teresa may not have known what nefarious and illegal deeds her husband was up to when she signed bank loans, mortgage loans, W2 forms, etc. Thus, the judge wants to ensure she is not taken for a ride again and that the accounts will correctly reflect what each party makes and owes.

  • TheBeverlyHillsHaveEyes

    Can Joe delay sentencing in March so that he keeps his license for as long as possible until he has to go to prison, then he won’t need it anyway?

    • Stacy Slotnick

      Apparently that was a sticking point in court yesterday. If you do the math, he will not have driving privileges when he is the only parent alone with his four daughters while Teresa is away. I doubt a court would delay the revocation of his driver’s license sentence. That would be highly unusual. The court should be more concerned not with the fact his daughters don’t have a parent who drives but rather his lawyer admitted Joe abuses alcohol and marijuana.

      • nan/4

        Which makes the decision of the court all the more unbelieveable! Those children are going to be entrusted to HIM? Makes no sense to me at all!

        • michey

          I may be wrong but I don’t think Joe has a DL now

          • nan/4

            Yeah, who is going to drive the girls to school?

          • WestCoastFeed

            Sorry to tell you, but he has had his DL back for some time.

          • michey

            OK thanks for letting me know

          • nan/4

            Just SMH here….They give him back the right to drive???? I’m sorry. I really don’t understand.

          • WestCoastFeed

            His license was taken back when he had the DUI. It was reinstated after a couple of years.

        • Stacy Slotnick

          I agree. Child Protection and Permanency is New Jersey’s child protection and child welfare agency, though we haven’t heard much chatter from them yet have we?

          • WestCoastFeed

            Could the judge now impose restrictions on his bail. such as no alcohol?

          • nan/4

            How the heck could that be enforced unless there are cameras on him 24/7?

          • WestCoastFeed

            They do periodic testing of those on supervised release.

          • nan/4

            Ah……thanks WCF!

          • Stacy Slotnick

            There will be unannounced visits and he may have to submit to tests to show his blood alcohol level. It is actually quite common in the criminal & family law areas.

          • Good question. I believe there’s a special alcohol monitoring system in place that requires you to blow into a device on a regular basis.

          • nan/4

            Thanks Doc!

          • Stacy Slotnick

            That’s a really insightful question. The short of it is, yes, however it is more likely that since his lawyer raised the issue of alcoholism at sentencing, there will be a probation officer to monitor his state of mind and a rehab program might be ordered.

          • WestCoastFeed

            Thanks, Stacy. I think this has been one of our major concerns here–the welfare of the children. Perhaps the probation officers are already on this and we simply would not know it.

          • nan/4

            None at all. It’s just accepted that this man who had admitted to alcohol and drug abuse is capable of caring for his four young daughters. That defies logic. Shouldn’t the safety of those children be uppermost in the court’s decisions?

          • Anne Green

            I would like to think that the children’s overall well being would be a top priority of the Court. If CPP is involved, we may not now or ever know due to the delicate nature and privacy of the children. I hope and pray “someone” has the insight to step in as their advocate.

          • nan/4

            HI Anne! How are you honey?

            Oh, I hope so too!!!!

          • Anne Green

            I’m great Nan!!!! How are doing in your recovery process???

          • nan/4

            I’m happy to hear that Anne. Stronger everyday, thanks! It’s so nice to see you! 😉

            Be well! 🙂

          • Anne Green

            It’s wonderful to be chatting with you as well. At least this time someone is paying attention to us….right Nan? We won’t be ignored!!!! lol

          • nan/4

            LOLOLLL! You’re so funny! 😉

          • Stacy Slotnick

            Couldn’t agree more. The work the case workers and social workers do is incredibly noble and important. But somebody has to open up a file for the process to begin.

          • michey

            Will a guardian at litem be appointed for the kids?

          • Stacy Slotnick

            I agree. While it is never a good situation for CP&P or CPS to get involved, the courts have a duty to children to protect their welfare and wellbeing.

        • Winecountrytours

          Shows very poor judgement for Teresa wanting Joe to take care of the girls while she’s in the pen.

      • TheBeverlyHillsHaveEyes

        Agreed. He’s probably thinking of ways he can delay as we type. I think at this point it may have been better for those girls to be cared for by family.

        • Stacy Slotnick

          That’s a very good idea. Notice how on their WWHL special the very thought of those children being cared for by Melissa and Joe sent Teresa into a controlled rage?

          • WestCoastFeed

            I’ll wager she knows that if Milania were asked which relative she wanted to take her in, she would answer Aunty Melissa.

          • TheBeverlyHillsHaveEyes

            ITA!

          • michey

            ITA

          • TheBeverlyHillsHaveEyes

            Yes, unfortunately I don’t think Teresa and Joe are capable of thinking about the emotional wellbeing of the kids at this point. Melissa and Joe seem to have a fairly stable home life.

  • michey

    Is there any chance at all that Teresa can get Judge Salas to change her sentence now?

    • Stacy Slotnick

      No, plus there is no incentive on the court’s part to modify a sentence. Can you think of a reason why the court would think of modifying Teresa’s reasonably generous sentence?

      • michey

        No I can’t but I bet Teresa has over 13 million reasons she thinks may work!

        • Stacy Slotnick

          Fun factoid: Inmates earn about 23 cents an hour preparing an serving food. They are also required to help maintain the prison facility. That’s a lot of spaghettis to prepare and serve to get to that $13M figure.

          • Anne Green

            Is that 23 cents before or after taxes? lol

          • nan/4

            hahahahaaaaa

          • WestCoastFeed

            Taxes? What are taxes?

          • Anne Green

            or maybe I meant my texas….as in “I didn’t read Jac’s texas”

          • nan/4

            LMAO!!!!!

  • TartLemon

    How can they finance a new home? Even renting an average apartment requires a credit check.

    • michey

      Given their crimes and the fact that it’s so public I don’t see any bank that would loan them money

    • From my understanding, they can put everything in an LLC (business name) and they’ll have no problem securing funding.

  • WestCoastFeed

    Is “forfeiture” just another word for restitution? I was reading the docs yesterday and it says that Teresa’s $200K payment was part of “forfeiture. Does that mean that is only to go toward that $414K restitution that they owe to Wells Fargo for the mortgage fraud? Or could it also be applied to the other fines and to the IRS debt?

    • Stacy Slotnick

      Good question. Legalese can be confusing. The RHONJ star has paid $200,000 of her restitution debt, but Wendy Feldman, Teresa and Joe Giudice’s crisis manager, says the amount is actually a forfeiture. The $200,000 was agreed upon by the Giudices at the time of their March plea agreement. Forfeiture and restitution are two different things. It’s unclear if Teresa will cough up her $415,588 restitution bill before beginning her 15-month prison sentence on Jan. 5, 2015. It’s also unknown if Joe, who was sentenced to 41 months behind bars, has paid any of his $415,588 restitution debt (he does not have to pay a forfeiture). Forfeiture is the loss or giving up of something as a penalty for wrongdoing. Restitution, on the other hand, is the restoration of something lost or stolen to its proper owner, such as lying on a W2 to secure a $121,500 mortgage on their house.

      • Anne Green

        Very clear and concise Stacy…..thank you for that!!!

        • Stacy Slotnick

          You are very welcome. Anything I can do to help decipher these legal issues makes me glad as the law should be understandable and accessible to all!

      • WestCoastFeed

        Good, so that means the $200K will NOT be used as part of the $$14K restitution? Correct?

        • Anne Green

          that was my take on it also WCF.

      • TartLemon

        So what was Teresa forfeiting? I’m not comprehending.

        • Stacy Slotnick

          $200,000.

      • michey

        Stacy wasn’t that 200k supposed to be paid before sentencing?

        • Stacy Slotnick

          Teresa Giudice has paid the federal government the $200,000 she was ordered to have at sentencing.

  • TartLemon

    You addressed the $400K restitution to the courts, but if they divorce and Joe is deported can the creditors of the $13 MILLION go after Teresa?

    • Stacy Slotnick

      I believe so as they filed for bankruptcy jointly in 2009.

  • TartLemon

    Wow Stacy, you’re so patient. Thanks. 🙂

  • Gabby

    If Joe gets deported, as his wife, is Teresa forced to go back to Italy too?

    • TartLemon

      Teresa’s a US citizen. Will Italy accept her as a CONVICTED FELON into their country?

      • Stacy Slotnick

        I’d say so but her “brand” isn’t worth much there. She should stay in USA if she wants to parlay her celebrity to help pay the bills.

        • michey

          On WWHL Teresa said that her businesses have suffered because of the case. Now that she’s convicted I don’t see that changing at all.

  • TartLemon

    Up votes from me to everyone. Sometimes I forget because too busy trying to keep up and link all the info together.

  • michey

    Are Joe or Teresa subject to any kind of substance abuse testing while they wait to go to prison?

    • Anne Green

      That’s a great question michey!! It’s hard to believe that these people have no restrictions on their everyday life. They seem to be pretty much free to come and go as they please.

      • michey

        I agree and it really makes me mad life goes on for them all while being convicted felons

      • Stacy Slotnick

        I know, but that will end come January 5. Prison, whether in tony Danbury, Connecticut or West Virginia will be no prize for either of them. Can you really see Joe relishing his time with his daughters?

        • Anne Green

          You are absolutely right Stacy. Sometimes it’s just the frustration in me coming out…..lol One year in prison for Teresa is a long devastating time!!!!

          • michey

            I agree with you Anne and I also believe the judge was correct when she said that a time of incarceration was needed for Teresa. House arrest to me would have been a slap on the wrist.

          • WestCoastFeed

            Yes, I believe she needs an extended period of self-reflection before she will begin to accept that fact that she is guilty and need to atone.

  • michey

    Didn’t both Joe and Teresa have to surrender their passports to the federal court when they first appeared in court? Will they get them back now?

  • Shayna Hunter

    I think it has turned into a witch hunt. A qualified Judge passed sentencing – they will both serve time. Now people whine it isn’t soon enough, or long enough, or a bad enough jail. People say the dad shouldn’t have his own kids, needs deported, they need to divorce.. it is ridiculous how Anti-Social Media is never satisfied, but are so bloodthirsty for vengeance on this family.

    • Stacy Slotnick

      Hi Shayna! I think what you are describing mirrors perfectly the system that causes such dissent. Our criminal justice system allows guilty people to walk free and innocent people to be sentenced to the death penalty. It is by no means a perfect system that leaves plenty of room open for a variety of opinions.

      • Shayna Hunter

        I think our criminal justice system is the best in the world, but it is run by us imperfect beings – so it will always have flaws. I cant imagine the mayhem & chaos we would have without it… I think in this Guidice case – the judge did what she felt was fair, so it needs to be honored. The public outcry that it isn’t enough mocks the decision made.

        • Anne Green

          I agree with much of what you have said here Shayna. The beauty and uniqueness of AATT’s site is that we can all express our opinions in an adult manner. We can either agree, disagree or agree to disagree.

          • Shayna Hunter

            Yes, the thread is very interesting and much more nice that what I usually see on the subject. Thanks for letting me express my opinion.

          • WestCoastFeed

            As I understand it now, just from what we’ve learned about this case, it is common practice for the Federal courts to allow felons a generous period of time to get their affairs in order before they have to report to prison. I’d be indignant too, if I hadn’t learned better just from this case.

          • michey

            Disagreement should always be in a respectful way IMO And it appears to me that is happening on this site

          • Stacy Slotnick

            Yes! One of the things we practice in mediation (versus arbitration or court) is to have an open mind even though you have a job to do and a legal argument to put forth. There is no reason for our talks to function any differently.

          • michey

            I agree Stacy!

          • Stacy Slotnick

            Well said!

    • Thanks Shayla. Do you have a question for the attorney?

      • Shayna Hunter

        I didn’t have a specific question – although I read other’s questions and the responses. It is nice to see an adult conversation. I just expressed an opinion, no specific question – thanks for letting me participate.

        • michey

          I think your opinion was expressed very well and thank you for being understanding of all opinions

          • Shayna Hunter

            You’re welcome. I’m not used to this format. There is no ‘like’ button – is that the purpose of the ‘vote up’ button? Yes, my opinion is probably different than the majority on this post – but I respect other’s opinion – and learn from them. I already know what I think – lol – so it interests me more what others think & why.

          • michey

            This is the first time I have participated on this site. It’s very refreshing to see good behavior by adults. I am also very interested in the opinions of others and why they feel that way.

          • Shayna Hunter

            First time here for me too. I actually feel like I am in a discussion/debate – not an argument like other sites. And I appreciate that we do have a legal expert to answer questions. Thank you AATT.

          • michey

            Stacy is the best! She answers our questions with her legal knowledge instead of tabloid mentality.

          • Shayna Hunter

            I like a little tabloid.. a little gossip and infusions of rumor.. lol. They have their place in entertainment. But there are times ( like this discussion ) where I want to hear from Stacy – an actual legal person – with straight answers.

          • michey

            I agree about tabloids. This forum really helps people like me that have never been in trouble and don’t understand the legal system and how it works.

          • Stacy Slotnick

            I hear you, Shayna. Fire away! I am happy to answer any question that piqued your interest.

          • Stacy Slotnick

            I appreciate that very much, Michey. The good news is I am a lawyer with a background in public relations and entertainment law. I create media opportunities for celebrities and experts on television, documentaries, and in movies/music. I do the licensing, marketing, copyrighting, etc. on various entertainment projects. So while I go to court I also get to enjoy the “fun” side of the law by attending interesting events with stars and promoting their products/music.

          • michey

            And your expertise in these areas is perfect for this Giudice mess

          • Stacy Slotnick

            Thanks Michey. Your amazingly sharp questions and comments are much appreciated and enjoyable to respond to and read. 🙂

          • Stacy Slotnick

            That is wonderful to hear. 🙂 We really strive to use the law to have informed discussions. I am so glad your experience here on AATT is refreshing. Please do feel free to lend your opinion and engage in talks anytime.

        • We appreciate varied viewpoints. Thank you for joining us and participating. I’m enjoying your comments.

        • Stacy Slotnick

          Yes indeed! Thanks for joining the conversation. It’s all about information, education, and finding commonality here on AATT. Love this forum.

    • nan/4

      I am concerned about the safety of those children with Joe caring for them. Yes indeed! I do want the to pay back what they stole, yes again!

      • Shayna Hunter

        I agree that restitution should be made – and time served.

    • TheBeverlyHillsHaveEyes

      Isn’t it fair, seeing as they put themselves in the reality arena, that people discuss and debate and question what is actually going on?

      • nan/4

        I think that Shayna can see that now Bev. Our discussion in no way resembles a witch hunt. Great questions are being asked and answered!

        Hiya Bev! Good to see ya’! 😉

        • Shayna Hunter

          When I say “it’ has turned into a witch hunt – I am speaking of extremists on Social Media and some news outlets.

          • nan/4

            Oh. I understand now Shayna…..and Welcome!!! 🙂

        • TheBeverlyHillsHaveEyes

          HI nan, good to see you too 🙂 thanks for that, I realized after I read further down. I’m a bit impetuous sometimes.

      • Shayna Hunter

        It is totally fair to discuss – such as is being done here, on this thread. I am speaking the radical people who have posted very harsh comments (elsewhere) about the children, the marriage, etc. And people who think it should be 10 years in the worst cell ever, children taken away, deportation.. the extremists who basically want T & J put under the jail. I just don’t get that level of hatred over 2 reality people.

        • TheBeverlyHillsHaveEyes

          Shayna – I apologize, I thought initially you were talking about on here and I hadn’t seen any bloodlust I questioned it. Sorry 🙂 I have to admit thought I am a tad guilty of expecting them to be held accountable to the full extent of the law and if deportation is applicable in his case then I say them’s the rules.

          • Shayna Hunter

            Oh, no problem BevHills! I’m new here and I didn’t reference a specific site where I see witch hunts and anti-social media – I spoke in general terms. So I see the confusion my comment would make. I’m just so pleasantly surprised to find this discussion, where I can give an opinion ( even though it is unpopular ) and be able to discuss it.

          • TheBeverlyHillsHaveEyes

            Thank you Shayna. It is always good to hear both sides IMO and much nicer when everyone is reasonable about it.

  • Gabby

    Why is it legal for Teresa to write books BEHIND BARS and profit from committing crimes? So unfair!

    • Stacy Slotnick

      The First Amendment is the most straightforward answer I can give you, Gabby. Courts are not eager to enforce Son of Sam laws because they infringe on First Amendment protections. If she writes a “how to” of her crimes her creditors can go after her profits. If she writes about baking in prison, they cannot, although she has to pay restitution and the $13M in claims relating to their bankruptcy filing.

  • michey

    I feel so bad for the kids but I have no sympathy for Teresa and Joe. They both lived the high life and spent the money

  • michey

    It seems to me the “outcry” from the public about these cases with the Giudice is in part because all of the lying, scheming and all out playing the system they have done. This is not about a few dollars it’s over 13 million they committed fraud to get and then splashed their lifestyle all over TV for the world to see. And then the world finds out it was all about fraud IMO

    • nan/4

      ITA michey!!!!!

    • Stacy Slotnick

      Excellent point.

    • Dave

      Agreed. Good point.

    • TheBeverlyHillsHaveEyes

      So true. And they are still on our screens pretending they are “downsizing” and “paying legal bills” and that it has nothing to do with their breaking the law.

      • michey

        Also more reason to make the public even angrier. People are very forgiving when there is true remorse. In this case they have shown no remorse just anger that they were caught IMO

        • WestCoastFeed

          Well, Teresa did say that she was sorry that she had “let people down.” I guess that’s a start. To me it just meant that she was sorry that she had disappointed her fans.

          • michey

            I agree

          • Anne Green

            I honestly believe that from the start if the Giudice’s had displayed genuine remorse regarding their crimes and actions I might have taken a different stance on this. The blantant “in your face” bragging of their ill gotten gains has always been gnawing at my craw..

          • Stacy Slotnick

            That is right. The public wants transparency. The courts want transparency. This is why Martha Stewart and Roberty Downey, Jr. thrived after they made mistakes.

        • TheBeverlyHillsHaveEyes

          I agree. Not many take any delight in seeing a family go through something like this. It’s the continued hard faced lack of acknowledgement.

  • nan/4

    Does Teresa get to keep her furs and jewelry, and handbags? They are worth a fortune of money. Why wouldn’t these things be confiscated?

    • Shy-ra

      Yes, why?!! And I read somewhere that she was spotted buying designer luggage last weekend – no lesson learned whatsoever! Why isn’t she stripped of her stolen goods?!?!

    • Stacy Slotnick

      It is frustrating. Creditors and the courts have to abide by a restitution schedule that demands what items can be seized and confiscated. But creditors never have an easy time receiving stolen goods. In reality, very few fraud perpetrators actually pay restitution. There have been attempts to deal with this problem by assigning fraud investigators to track the assets of perpetrators.

      • nan/4

        Excuse my language Stacy, but that sucks, BIG TIME!!!!! 😮

  • Dave

    If the court uncovers new fraud when Teresa hands in her redone financial disclosure papers, can the feds re-open the case or bring new charges against her?

    • Stacy Slotnick

      Great question! So long as the additional fraud was not a part of their plea deal and it was newly discovered, or concealed so that the feds wouldn’t find out about it, new charges would be brought.

      • Pinky Pie

        So, do you think Teresa will bein trouble for her all cash no receipt policy?

        • Stacy Slotnick

          I want to believe the best of our criminal justice system so if you do the crime, you do the time.

        • Pinky Pie

          Thank you, but I’m still unclear. I would like to think Teresa would at least get a slap on the hand for this and told, ” that’s a no, no.” It seemed like the judge really laid into her. So, I am unclear if Teresa will be warned about all cash in anything she does in the future. It SEEMS like Teresa has an excuse for everything. For example, she didn’t’t understand her plea deal. How many warnings will she get about all cash isn’t legal, or you cannot collect money and then say it is a donation from you. I don’t know if this can even be answered.

  • Chloe

    Not sure if this has been asked, I haven’t read the whole thread but here goes….when will the IRS and creditors start seizing her property?

    • Stacy Slotnick

      Joe Giudice has not yet contributed towards his half of the $414,588 the couple were ordered to pay. I believe prosecutors have threatened to seize their property but it hasn’t actually happened yet.

      • michey

        In your legal opinion Stacy will they seize any property at all?

        • Stacy Slotnick

          I do think Teresa wants a career in the spotlight after she returns from jail. Thus, I think she will make every effort to pay restitution and sell her homes and belongings. Joe just doesn’t have the same opportunities even if he isn’t deported so what is the incentive to pay up?

          • TheBeverlyHillsHaveEyes

            Stacy, I agree. I also get the impression that if Teresa has someone showing her the right way she would do it. She almost needs a financial “carer” to look after her and rehabilitate her from all of the bad habits she has picked up. Sadly I think she will do better at learning right from wrong if Joe is no longer at her side.

          • Anne Green

            My thoughts all along Bev!!! Great post!

    • Stacy Slotnick

      In 2010, the Giudices weren’t doing well financially (save the Costa cruise they took on the Mediterranean) and were auctioning their stuff in bankruptcy.

  • michey

    I also firmly believe that Teresa 100% believed she would get house arrest and no prison time. Her behavior since sentencing show me that is the case.

  • Tlcville

    Why Are their finances kept seperate now ? Would’nt it be better to go after them as a couple ?

    • Stacy Slotnick

      The judge wants to make sure everything is clean and authorities can tell who has what money and where.

      • Anne Green

        Could this also have to do with Judge Salas having some insight into Joe’s “shadiness” as it pertains to Teresa? Perhaps ensuring that Teresa’s income covers her share of the debt and not Joe’s share as well.

        • Stacy Slotnick

          Absolutely. It has been stated several times that Joe wanted to take blame for entire federal fraud episode. The fact that he wanted Teresa to escape prison and take the blame would make a rational judge think that he is the kingpin and thus he or she wants to keep their accounts separate.

          • Anne Green

            In Joe’s mind, I will do the time and Teresa can work and pay the restitution.

          • Stacy Slotnick

            Yes, that would be the easy way out for him, after all. It is going to be difficult to take care of those children without a license and without her financial support.

    • Stacy Slotnick

      That order of separate accounts follows Teresa and Joe’s failure to properly complete a court-ordered financial report with all of the assets and streams of income.

  • Stacy Slotnick

    Another legal item to consider: Immigration. Even though Joe may have a green card, the Italian citizen is eligible for deportation because he’s been convicted of several felonies involving fraud — driver’s license fraud being the latest. HOWEVER, today U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) is most concerned with violent criminals and those with ties to terrorism. Because of the nature of the ISIS threat, if Joe’s deportation proceedings were to begin today he might not be deported as the government has to place those awaiting deportation in a hierarchy.

    • WestCoastFeed

      Stacy, I did read one article where it was stated that ICE can begin deportation proceedings whenever they choose to. They don’t necessarily wait until a felon has served all his/her sentence. While I doubt they would move early on Joe, the judge yesterday was quoted as saying that deportation hearings would probably begin in March, soon after he is sentenced.

      • Stacy Slotnick

        If you can send along the article that would be awesome so we can examine it together. Generally, the procedure is for Joe to be deported once his federal prison term ends. If he pled guilty to these crimes and was a known terrorist or had terror ties, I could see ICE deporting him immediately or sending him to Guantanamo, which still houses prisoners.

      • michey

        I also read that somewhere

    • michey

      But will he be held in federal custody while this takes place?

    • Thanks for clarifying this. I don’t believe Joe will be deported because his crimes are not violent however would the dollar amount he stole ($4.6+ million) make his crime an aggravated felony?

      • WestCoastFeed

        The tables I have seen say aggravated felonies are fraud for over $10K. They both have that about for the mortgage fraud and he has it for the IRS fraud.

      • Stacy Slotnick

        It is so hard to look into a crystal ball as to what immigration situation will be in 5+ years, however his crimes would qualify him, as you say he is a felon, for deportation. If he had just applied for citizenship…

        • Anne Green

          I’ve always wondered why he didn’t. I don’t believe he didn’t know he wasn’t a citizen…someone had to maintain that LPR status.

          • disqus_nx4MfF4kvy

            Maybe he just didn’t give a dam and it was just to much trouble or an expense he didn’t want .

          • WestCoastFeed

            Maybe he knew he couldn’t pass the written test.

          • Anne Green

            I would think that when Joe had initially retained legal representation he would have been advised to begin the process. I’st quite a lengthy process. I think that he would have had to provide USCIS with documentation that might have resulted in an early departure from the US of A.

          • disqus_nx4MfF4kvy

            I’m sure he wouldn’t pass, but he did get a GED.

  • michey

    Flaunting money and material things on national TV was a horrible idea.

    • WestCoastFeed

      Particularly since it was all ill-gotten.

    • Stacy Slotnick

      I agree. It makes the fraud much less palatable to everyone, whether you have more or less than them.

    • TheBeverlyHillsHaveEyes

      But to someone as competitive and materialistic as Teresa it was sadly irresistible.

  • TheBeverlyHillsHaveEyes

    Sorry if this has been asked already and I missed it – with regard to Judge Salas ordering Teresa and Joe to keep business and personal accounts separate, how long exactly is that enforceable for? Just until probation is finished? Can they then go and muddy their waters again hiding money here and there to avoid creditors?

    • Stacy Slotnick

      Probably until they have paid all restitution and reimbursed creditors.

  • Tlcville

    Why do you think so many people refuse to believe teresa and joe are guilty ?? This blows my mind.

    • michey

      Teresa is a very convincing liar as I see things. There is no doubt in my mind they are guity

    • Stacy Slotnick

      Sometimes when people are invited into your home weekly on the tube, it is hard to separate the character from the real person, and we want to believe the people we are watching are legit. That has sort of gone out the window at this point, though.

    • Stacy Slotnick

      Are there people who believe they are innocent?

  • WestCoastFeed

    Here’s a question from CeeJay who asked us to ask you today:

    Have to work and cannot participate, but I would appreciate it if someone would ask if the various courts and agencies are coordinating to achieve an agreed upon goal, or if the state and federal courts are operating separately and could end up with conflicting and competing results? Hope that ? makes sense.

    • CeeJay

      Thank you so much WCF. I just jumped on above during my lunch hour to ask that question. Looking forward to the answer and I really appreciate you having my back!

    • Stacy Slotnick

      Genius question. These legal bodies are unlikely coordinating with one another because each has its own budget, charging/sentencing guidelines to follow, and rules of ethics to abide by. They may have competing interests in the order the victims are paid, but that is fairly typical.

      • CeeJay

        Wow! What a mess.

  • nan/4

    Stacy, taking everything that they have been found guilty of doing, do you think that their “celebrity” helped to reduce their sentence? As I alluded to before, “John Smith” from Evansville Indiana would in all likelihood be serving a stiffer sentence, don’t you agree?

    • Stacy Slotnick

      That is a tough one but I think what their celebrity DID DO was get them an advantageous plea deal. Prosecutors knew that the security expense alone of having a federal trial on fraud charges would have cost the government nearly $1M. I am pretty sure the Jodi Arias trial cost AZ three times that amount. The government was perhaps aware of the celebrity of the case and did not want to try it.

      • nan/4

        I see. Thank-you Stacy. It’s still quite frustrating! :-/

    • MorningYawn

      Tangent – I lived in Evansville as a young child! lol!

      • nan/4

        LOL. I had an aunt and uncle who lived there many years ago….Remember “Aster Nuts” by any chance? 😉

        Nice to see you M.Y.!!!!

        • MorningYawn

          Nice to see you lady! I don’t remember, we moved when I was 3 but have always found, living on the east coast, that people just can’t believe I loved in Indiana. Always made me laugh… Why is that so hard to believe???

          • nan/4

            I haven’t the foggiest! It was nice there the last time I was there….I was around 6 years old? I’m now 59 going on 59. lol I was born and raised in Philly. The east coast ROCKS!!!! I miss it there terribly. The people are so real there. Very friendly-like, IMO. We’ve been out west for many years, and it’s VERY different here. But the weather is great! LOL! Anyhoo…..I hope you and yours are all doing well honey!!! 😉

          • MorningYawn

            Doing well thx. Hope ur too! I was raised outside of philly in south jersey! As my dad would say, I grew up 13 miles from the liberty bell! Lol! Miss it – been gone since 2000- but my parents and bro are there so I go home still. Weather in GA better but not what I was promised! I have used my winter coat A LOT! Haha!

          • nan/4

            OMG!!!!! It’s practically like being raised in the same place! We spent a lot of time “down the shore,” and in Cherry Hill tool… So you’re a “Southern Belle” now? I’ll bet you still have your Jersey accent though! We’re in the desert. Not much call for a winter coat here. OR an umbrella! HA!

            No WONDER we get along so well!!!! 😉

          • MorningYawn

            I grew up in Cherry Hill!! That’s where my parents still live. I was there over Labor Day. I’ve been in the south for 14 yrs and I do have a southern accent. The south jersey accent doesn’t get you far here/ have to assimilate! Lol! They laugh at me when I’m with my northern friends. No one can understand me. Lol! Philly area girls can smell each other!!! We always get along! Lol! Nice and warm in the dessert Nan! Hope you enjoy it!!

          • nan/4

            I KNEW IT! Cherry Hill is so nice!

            Thanks! We like it, but miss the warmth of the east coast people. But we get a different kind of warmth here. It gets downright HOT, but its a dry heat….yeah right! lol

            Be well sweetheart! All my best to your family too. 🙂

          • MorningYawn

            You too! Have a great night!

  • Tlcville

    Will there be any charges against Andy or bravo ?? IMO they are to blame for keeping them employed knowing what they were doing.

    • nan/4

      This has been going on for over 10 years…..way before Bravo was in the picture! How do you know that they (Bravo and Andy Cohen specifically) were aware of their crimes???

      • Shy-ra

        Bravo at least must have ASSUMED they were guilty – and in turn LOVED following Tre around on her thousands of dollars worth CASH shopping sprees. They were just patiently waiting to turn this into ratings gold (or so they hoped)

        • Stacy Slotnick

          I agree that there must have been clues to producers of the show. Knowing how production works, I would say Bravo wasn’t adverse to having legal drama stem from this couple. Let’s say they didn’t shy away from the ratings that their storyline produced.

          • Shy-ra

            Exactly!

    • Stacy Slotnick

      There wouldn’t be a legally recognizable claim against Bravo or NBCUniversal based on those facts.

      • Anne Green

        Bravo should be recognized for being morally and ethically corrupt.

  • CeeJay

    Thank you for your time Stacy. Jumping in here during my lunch hour. A couple of things confuse me, so I’m asking for clarification:

    Are the courts at the state and federal levels and all the various agencies involved working with each other to address all matters or are they working independently?

    Is there an accounting somewhere of who the restitution money will go to and how much?

    • Stacy Slotnick

      Happy lunch break on National Boss’ Day! 🙂 Good question, indeed. I do not believe they are making a concerted effort — these various government agencies — since they have different ethical rules, guidelines, and budgets to consider. Think of them as distinctively separate entities.

  • michey

    There are many “die hard” Teresa fans that will never ever accept her or Joe’s behavior. This is sad but so true.

    • CeeJay

      @michey – I have come to the conclusion that a lot of the people who refuse to accept their culpability probably live their lives in the same manner and justify their actions because they can relate. Just my opinion.

      • michey

        ITA there is really no other way I could justify the actions of some of them,

      • Stacy Slotnick

        That is very poetic CeeJay.

      • disqus_nx4MfF4kvy

        You can’t be serious for one second, a lot of the people that admire her are adolescent little girls who don’t know any better and are blown away by whatever. It’s just a dumb reality show at the end of the day.

        • CeeJay

          I appreciate your view. As I said, just my opinion. Have a great evening!

  • WestCoastFeed

    Chacha1 wanted to know if both State and Federal prisons offer drug/alcohol rehab programs.

    • Stacy Slotnick

      They do. Their programs might not be as effective as private facilities but it is wonderful they offer programs to help prisoners rehabilitate.

      • misstc

        Will the girls be safe with Joe while Teresa is away? I’d have preferred Joe went away first. Girls too young to be left with a drunk dad for 15 months.

        • CeeJay

          ITA. I wish the judge would have considered that given they revealed he has an alcohol problem. He could of cleaned up in the can and gone home sober to care for the girls. Putting him in rehab while Tre is in prison will be a heavy burden on the family and his chances of successful rehab will be nil.

  • michey

    About divorce Stacy I would bet that Joe will ask for spousal support since Teresa has claimed she has been the bread winner in the family.Your thoughts?

    • Stacy Slotnick

      That is a likely scenario. This is just a non-legal observation, but you could feel a definite coldness between the two on WWHL. Even though they were holding hands, they acted like strangers.

      • Anne Green

        There is something much more profound going on behind closed doors.

        • CeeJay

          No matter how deep their love is/may have been, this sort of thing is a marriage destroyer. It will be remarkable if they stay together during and after their prison time.

      • misstc

        It also doesn’t help that Joe called her “That’s my C*nt bitch wife” while talkin to alleged girlfriend in front of cameras last season.

      • WestCoastFeed

        And she certainly wasn’t allowing him to have much say in the conversation.

  • CeeJay

    A relative of mine unfortunately had her home foreclosed upon by the bank even though it was seriously under water. She committed no crimes. Given that T&J did commit crimes and restitution and additional debt must be paid, I still don’t get why the banks don’t seize their homes? My feeling is that the homes would sell quicker if priced at market value, and isn’t that what banks typically do?

    • Stacy Slotnick

      I am sorry to hear about your relative. If their home was priced to move quickly, the creditors would receive less from the sale of the home, which is why they may be waiting to move in on seizing the property.

  • michey

    For over 4 years our tax dollars will pay to house feed, clothe criminals AGAIN!

  • nan/4

    Realistically speaking, how are they EVER going to pay back the 13.4 million dollars they stole?

    • Stacy Slotnick

      It is VERY unlikely they will get anywhere close to repaying $13M. That is A LOT of dough.

      • nan/4

        Seems fair to me….NOT!!!!!

  • michey

    I have often thought that Teresa was to serve her time first because of the deportation issues with Joe. What do you think Stacy?

  • misstc

    Can it be mandated that Joe go to rehab before being left alone with those little girls? It’s a red flag that keeps entering my mind.

    • Excellent question.

    • Stacy Slotnick

      I understand your concern. He hasn’t yet been ordered to rehab and its likely a rehab program he would complete while serving his sentence.

    • Stacy Slotnick

      Anger management could also be a program he participates in while in prison. It was reported that in 1992 Joe allegedly smashed a woman’s head into a mailbox.

      • michey

        And yesterday he hit a camera while in the courthouse

        • nan/4

          Buth the children should be with him for the next 15 months?? Really????

        • Stacy Slotnick

          I know. He definitely has anger management issues that hopefully will be resolved.

          • Anne Green

            I can’t really figure it out in my head…..in the long run…i think that this whole long sordid ordeal will turn out to be a blessing in disguise for Teresa. There’s more to this family than just the crimes and dishonesty…….

      • nan/4

        He’s a real gem!

      • nan/4

        Stacy, is it possible for the judge to change any part of this sentence? Could she come to realize that it’s NOT in the best interests of the children to be with their father while their mother is serving her sentence? Is there any way for that decision to be modified?

        • Stacy Slotnick

          Not at this stage. If the children are in danger, CPC would get involved or the family court would take over but Judge Salas will not modify her sentencing decision based on new revelations about Joe’s purported substance abuse.

          • nan/4

            K, thanks!

  • michey

    Since Joe’s mother lost her home I would say she will move in with Joe when Teresa goes to prison to help with the girls

    • TheBeverlyHillsHaveEyes

      I think Joe’s parents own a few properties but word is she lives with his brother Pete.I think Teresa’s parents are with the girls every day.

  • michey

    Also sending Teresa to prison first cuts Joe off financially from what she can make. But will Joe have access to any money made from fabellini. hair care etc while she’s in prison?

    • misstc

      Tre mentioned on WWHL to Andy that Fabellini is dead in water as are other projects due to bad publicity, etc.

      • michey

        Yes but I guess I mean any new money that may come in and I understand it’s not likely but a dollar is a dollar

      • WestCoastFeed

        Tre said in her financial assets report that she has 0 interest in Milania Hair Care. Checking their website, prices on those products have been slashed drastically. It sounds like they are dumping her, but have that packaged product to sell before they officially sever ties.

  • Bridget Louise Gallagher

    Will teresa and joe serve their full sentences?

    • Stacy Slotnick

      It depends on their behavior in prison. They will likely serve all if not the great majority of their sentences. Overcrowding of prisons sometimes lets prisoners walk free early.

  • michey

    Stacy is it correct that Federal prison inmates only serve 85% of their time if they have good behavior?

    • Stacy Slotnick

      Yes, since our prison system is overcrowded, sentences can be reduced for good behavior.

      • misstc

        Stacy, I asked earlier if the young girls be safe w/ Joe considering he’s an alcoholic? Can court mandate he go through counseling before Teresa goes to prison?

        • Stacy Slotnick

          Court can order counseling or turn over issue to CPC that will open a file and assess the situation with the child’s wellbeing as the primary concern.

  • michey

    Stacy would Judge Salas have the ability to question who and how the kids will be cared for while Teresa is away? They did admit in court he has substance abuse issues.

    • Stacy Slotnick

      It appears as though they will be with their father. Judge Salas did not make any custody ruling nor did she refer the case to CPC, thus, the kids will be cared for by Joe even though that feels like a less than ideal situation.

      • michey

        What would have to happen to have that situation looked at?

        • Stacy Slotnick

          Usually if there are accusations or admissions made in open court, as was the case here, CPC will get involved and open a file.

          • michey

            I hope for the sake of those girls someone keeps an eye on them

  • michey

    Does anyone think that Teresa or Joe will be able to contain their tempers while in prison?

    • Bridget Louise Gallagher

      I don’t think joe will be able to hold his temper Teresa could possibly.

      • RealitytvJunkie

        I agree with this. I can see him getting written up and thrown in the hole on a regular.

    • nan/4

      She should limit time spent around tables. :-/

      • michey

        Yes flipping tables in prison will not be cool at all lol

        • nan/4

          TY michey!!!!!! lol

          • michey

            I could see her doing it though. She will not be able to control her temper. This is a HUGE life change for Mrs. Materialistic

      • nan/4

        I thought that was kind of funny……oh well…..neverrrrmiiind!

        • michey

          It was funny for sure I didn’t get to reply in time sorry

    • Stacy Slotnick

      This is an easy one — nope.

  • RealitytvJunkie

    Why did the judge allow Joe to stay with the girls if the court knows he has a problem with alcohol?

    • Stacy Slotnick

      Proceedings regarding fitness of a parent are separate and apart from his state and fed cases. There would have to be another hearing as to whether he is fit to care for those children. We can all agree finishing off several “bottles” of wine a night is something to be looked into by CPC.

      • RealitytvJunkie

        His lawyer commented in the fed sentencing his client has a drinking problem. I would think the judge would have taken cue from that and ordered a CPS investigation. Thank you for answering my question. I love this site.

  • michey

    Just so I don’t forget a big thank you to All about the tea and Stacy for doing this Q&A. It’s so great to be able to ask and be answered by a real attorney. This really helps us understand the legal issues IMO

  • michey

    Another thought I have had is that it is going to be very hard for Teresa to do manual labor while in prison

    • Stacy Slotnick

      Inmates are only permitted around 4 hours of visiting time per month and inmates typically earn about 23 cents an hour preparing and serving food or doing carpentry and electrical work.

      • michey

        Not the ideal money making for either of them

      • misstc

        Those 23 cents will be charged against personal items like soap, toothpaste, etc.. and some prisons charge inmates for the food they eat. She could come out owing the prison money.

        • Stacy Slotnick

          Imagine authorities trying to collect from them for soap and shampoo. Yikes.

  • nan/4

    Stacy, do you think that either one of them faces any real danger while in prison? I mean, they did name names……

    • Stacy Slotnick

      I would hope neither of them faces danger while in prison. What say you?

      • nan/4

        I think that he might be depending on how big the fish he coughed up. in her case, she’s going to camp “cupcake” from what I’ve heard, so I doubt it. I don’t wish them any further harm, no, but when you “snitch” isn’t that always a possibility?

        • Anne Green

          Remember the words of Martha Stewart…..”prison was a living hell”.

          • WestCoastFeed

            And I remember that she didn’t like house arrest much better.

          • Anne Green

            I think this is deja vu. Have you and I had this conversation before? I think we have…..lol

          • Pinky Pie

            Can you imagine trying to be a lifestyle expert, and going to jail? Teresa is knew at the recipe book, hair product, and gourmet food businesses. I don’t think I would consider her advice on anything. At least Martha Stewart had already established herself. Couple that with how many and how often we’ve all heard Teresa lie, and her businesses will have a hard time recovering. Martha said she lost millions.

          • Pinky Pie

            Meant: would NOT consider Teresa’s advice

        • Stacy Slotnick

          It is indeed. If I were counseling her, I would remind her to be on her best behavior and do not give in to anger. She has urges that she will have to learn to control while in prison. She is “marked” as they say because she is a celebrity prisoner but she reports to a low-security federal camp so the other inmates won’t be violent criminals.

  • WestCoastFeed

    Can you tell us a little about the typical terms for supervised release. I had a conversation with a parole officer recently who said that supervised release is not a piece of cake either. Not just how frequently one has to check in with the probation officer, but also that one MUST find gainful employment. Not to mention periodic drug/alcohol testing,

    • michey

      Great question

    • Stacy Slotnick

      You are 100% correct. Moreover, if you violate a term of supervised release or probation, you do not pass go and are sent directly to jail. Basically, you will get hauled into court again and reprimanded by the judge, which is a big “No no.”

  • All About The Tea

    A message from Stacy Slotnick:

    Hey followers & fans: I’m off to be a #lawyer but I’ll circle back for next Q&A at 7pm ET here #ThursdayTreat

    Keep the questions coming. Stacy will return later to answer all.

    • misstc

      Thank you for the opportunity! You & Stacy are the best!!!

      • WestCoastFeed

        Amen!

    • Anne Green

      Thank you to AATT and Attorney Slotnick for hosting this most informative Q & A session. As a result, I didn’t get very much done at home on my day off. I have until 7pm to run around like the crazy woman that I am.

      • Stacy Slotnick

        Good luck with your errands and work! It is special to take the time to really dissect the laws and circumstances of these legal cases with you all. I appreciate the opportunity.

    • michey

      Thank you so much for this opportunity I will be here at 7 to learn some more

    • Shy-ra

      Thanks Stacy! Appreciate this opportunity – you rock!

      • Stacy Slotnick

        Back at you. 🙂 Thank you so much for joining our discussion today. Have a marvelous evening.

  • nan/4

    Thank you Stacy! This has been so informative, and a lot of fun too! See you later! 🙂

    • nan/4

      That was AMAZEBALLS!!!!!!

      • equinox2009

        Oh my gosh-been looking for you for a week, Nan!!! I got worried but I’m thinking you are good. You made my day, girl,!!! Now I can read all these posts. Have a good rest of the day!

        • nan/4

          Aww, you’re so sweet equi! I’m good thanks! Slowly getting my strength back. All tests came back A-OK! YAY!!!!! I want to thank-you for all of your support during those oh-so-scary days. You are truly special to me, and I’m thrilled to call you my “friend.” How’s by you darlin’? I hope that you and yours have been well……:-)

          • Stacy Slotnick

            Be well always!

      • Stacy Slotnick

        Have a fabulous evening, Nan/4!

        • nan/4

          You too Stacy! I think that you are terrific, btw. 😉

      • Stacy Slotnick

        Glad you enjoyed the Q&A. It was a joy to speak to all you well-informed and thoughtful people.

  • Flanagan

    This may have already been asked, but if Teresa does write a book about her prison exploits, can she profit from it, or does the “Son of Sam” law apply?

    • WestCoastFeed

      It was asked earlier and the answer is yes. The Son of Sam laws do not trump the First Amendment.

      • Flanagan

        Thanks, West Coast. We can always count on you for good info.

      • Stacy Slotnick

        Another excellent recitation of my prior analysis, WestCoastFeed!

    • Anne Green

      The gist of this is…..Teresa cannot write about specifics of the crimes. Examples: how to fill out a fake W-2’s or how to omit earnings/income on a bankruptcy filing. The point is for her not to profit from her dirty deeds. She can, however, write about her time in prison.

      • Flanagan

        Thanks for your info.

      • Stacy Slotnick

        Excellent articulation of what I wrote below, Anne Green! Too, I might add that even if she were to describe how she defrauded the government and committed her crimes, it is possible a court would rule that the Son of Sam law is inapplicable because it violates freedom of speech. In truth, numerous Son of Sam laws have been struck down by the courts.

    • Stacy Slotnick

      I have a question for AATT posters and fans: Would you read a book on Teresa’s time in prison or a book about her crimes if she did decide to write it?

      • nan/4

        Honestly? I don’t think so, no. I’m all Teresa-ed out!

      • WestCoastFeed

        I think I’ll just stick to rereading Jane Austen.

        • nan/4

          LOL!

        • Stacy Slotnick

          That quite funny. I think in order for the book to sell well, some percentage of the proceeds would have to go to charity. That sounds bizarre considering she has major restitution to pay, but a publisher won’t sink their teeth into mess unless they can parlay it as a do-good experiment.

      • Anne Green

        I honestly would not purchase her book. I did purchase Angela Stanton’s book because I believe in her. I think she is telling the truth. In Teresa’s case, her time in prison wouldn’t be of interest to me. I don’t think anything she writes would be of interest to me.

      • michey

        I would not spend my money on anything that would benefit Teresa.

      • Trippinhhard

        No I’m not interested and I wouldn’t dare put one cent in no HWS pocket.
        That’s just me

      • Flanagan

        No, I would not support any financial endeavor Teresa Giudice attempted. Teresa would not actually “write” a book;it would be a ghostwriter. And, the bs factor would be so off the charts, I don’t think I would have the strength to get through it.

      • ✿❀❁ Tigerlily ❁❀✿
        • WestCoastFeed

          Tell us how you really feel, Tiger.

          • ✿❀❁ Tigerlily ❁❀✿

            LOL! Hi West. You know how shy I am about voicing my opinion! LMBO!

            Never gonna happen. I would rather swim with a school great white sharks in a sea of chum than give the Guidices one penny of MY hard earned cash that’s for sh!t sure!

  • michey

    Stacy can you please read this article and comment later about what is said about ICE being able to pick up Joe at anytime? thank you

    http://www.northjersey.com/news/deportation-could-come-anytime-for-housewives-star-joe-giudice-1.1102359

    • WestCoastFeed

      Thank you. That’s the article I read, too. I have been trying, unsuccessfully to relocate it.

      • michey

        That’s good now we can get Stacy’s comments

      • Stacy Slotnick

        Also, keep in mind that the bureaucratic red tape that currently exists in this political climate with ISIS means that non-violent offenders are fairly low on the totem pole of being ICE wants to deport. A mitigating circumstance, remember, is the fact that he has 4 young daughters here who are American citizens.

    • Stacy Slotnick

      Absolutely! U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency, known as ICE, will unlikely move to begin deportation proceedings against Joe. The article’s headline is meant to spur interest but the reality is the federal government expects Joe to serve his jail time and deportation proceedings will not begin for years. The idea of ICE stepping on Judge Salas’ toes (her ruling) by deporting him before he has served his sentence and paid restitution is very unlikely.

      • michey

        Thanks so much for clarification

  • michey

    About Feldman wouldn’t she be someone that would be able to help Teresa with PR and with after prison as far as making income? She seems to be backing away from her now

    • Stacy Slotnick

      I am pretty sure Wendy’s expertise lies is crisis management and she does not specialize in public relations. http://custodialcoaching.com/bio-of-wendy-feldman.html However, you are correct that a PR team could work their magic (and important connections) to help Teresa land book and TV deals post-prison to generate income.

      • MorningYawn

        But would any pr team touch them due to their hubris, thumbing their nose at the law and stubbornness at admitting their crimes or at least apologizing? Even for the best pr teams in America, you can’t put lipstick on a pig.

  • Anne Green

    Speaking of Wendy Feldman….from many angles it appears she jumped of the “Giudice train” for notoriety and money. Her public radio bashing of Teresa only to take her on as a client was very unprofessional and explains her well. I was wondering what exactly is a “legal coach” and what qualifies her as an expert.

    • Trippinhhard

      “Her being a former inmate in jail” it’s oblivious they listen to no one.
      I still can’t fanthom that they expected their lawyers or someone else to list their assets, jewerly and etc. that’s your job to do, the nerves they have, this uppity attitude when you broke.

      • WestCoastFeed

        She was given the instructions that those forms had to be completed. That “I didn’t know or I would have done it” excuse she gave Andy was another of her lies.

        • Stacy Slotnick

          It was very pathetic which is surprising since they should have concocted a better story or couched their arguments on-air differently. Again, ignorance of the law is not an excuse.

          • Trippinhhard

            Ignorance is a bliss to these two bumbling crooks.
            It’s just too funny what they expected out of this case..
            They are narracstic at its finest.

        • Pinky Pie

          Westie, aren’t you a teacher? It reminds me of all the students that had excuses for where their homework was or why they didn’t do it. Teresa & Joe are the grown up version. And, Joe’s mommy even wrote a note to the judge. History repeats itself. I would love to hear what their former teachers have to say about these two. Don’t get me wrong, students are children that can grow out of it, but this mirrors so much of what I experienced from students that I taught.

      • Pinky Pie

        Can you imagine that? Did she think the accountant was going to go threw her personal property? It’s crazy! I use to work in a bank, while I was going to school. I had more than one customer tell me that I should call them to let them know before they wrote the check whether it would bounce. Sure, no problem. I think Teresa had to tell the account what she owned of value. Also,all of her designer shoe, handbags and clothes, bravo had a show they did about second hand designer clothes and the value of such items. Her pants are on fire, she is such a liar.

        • Trippinhhard

          IKR

  • disqus_nx4MfF4kvy

    It’s amazing that so many people are invested in Joe & Teresa one way or the other to the extent that they are. It can only be good for them considering any publicity is good publicity.

    • Stacy Slotnick

      That is such a realistic assessment of the situation. They are polarizing, and polarizing is good in PR. But their TV and book deals will be more generous if they learn to take ownership and humble a bit. Being rough around the edges is OK, but usually people of that nature are not transparent, and authenticity is everything in this biz.

      • WestCoastFeed

        She needs a really top-notch PR person to write her end of the season blog this year. Someone who can write the blog in Teresa’s voice so the public will think it is really her speaking. She needs to thank ALL the viewers who have followed her life for the past six years. And not just single out her fans. She also needs to say she will be spending the next year in self-reflection and that she does resolve to “make it right,” to use her words.

        • Stacy Slotnick

          Great recommendation.

        • Pinky Pie

          Watch out Westie! If we were in school, I would think she was going to copy off of your test. 🙂

      • Trippinhhard

        That’s the truth Stacy—from what I learned working for the IRS— after they were caught and filed bankruptcy, if they would have scaled down their lifestyle and sold their properties and acted like they are remorseful and made some con circuited effort to pay back some of their creditors monthly.. I don’t think Teresa would be doing Tim, but these two bumbling crooks, have bird brains. No hope for them, they are a match made in hell..
        Happy wife=jail life

        • Stacy Slotnick

          Excellent point and thank you for providing your expertise here! They supported a lavish lifestyle by repeatedly lying on mortgage applications. Using the U.S. Postal Service to send fictitious documents made it a federal crime.

          • Trippinhhard

            What taking them so long to sell their assets??? That I don’t get, it’s been over 30yrs since I worked for them. But the point is ppl makes deals with the IRS everyday. We are a nation of theives.

  • Tlcville

    They don’t understand the difference in being infamous as opposed to famous

    • Stacy Slotnick

      True story. I think they don’t understand a lot of things about legal matters and fame. The spiraling out of control I fear began a long time ago for them.

  • Stacy Slotnick

    Consider this latest legal wrinkle for Joe Giudice: He shoved a cameraman when he arrived to a New Jersey courthouse yesterday to face charges for fraud and forgery, and the entire incident was caught on camera. Will he be charged with battery and assault?

    • jane

      He also swatted at a camera man last year when he and Teresa went to court. He told Andy he would be able to control his temper in prison. I don’t think so!!!

      • Stacy Slotnick

        Good to know! Thanks for that bit of information.

  • jane

    Just saw a clip on “Extra” inside the courtroom where the judge told Joe Giudice at his driver’s license fraud trial “It is a virtual certainty that you will deported as a result of this. You understand that?” to which Joe replied, “Yes, your Honor.” Extra reports “Any decision wouldn’t be made until after Giudice serves prison time.” The only major issues that will be determined on March 20th will be the length his driver’s license is suspended the minimum being 6 months and how much his fine will be; the max being $10,000. Judge Jacobs stated he will be taking Joe’s previous record, and we all know that it is pretty lengthy!, into consideration at that time.

    • Stacy Slotnick

      Thank you a ton, Jane, for that fabulous report! I pretty much heard the same thing. The only item I would caution posters on is the fact Judge Jacobs doesn’t rule on immigration proceedings here. His statement that deportation is a virtual certainty is more reprimand than fact. Judges all the time use harsh language or say things outside of their rulings that are less than flowery of defendants standing before them.

  • In New Jersey

    Putting on your entertainment biz hat for a minute, do you think Bravo will continue to empoly the Giudices? At first I thought they would for sure, but after watching the part of the interview that was not aired I am not sure.

    • Stacy Slotnick

      Which part of the interview that never aired? I am intrigued. I have to say, I was disappointed in Andy’s questions. I think he could have been more relentless and not given in so easily, but then I must remember he is not a prosecutor or lawyer. As to your question, it seems to me that Bravo will be milking this legal drama for all its worth. They decided to focus episode 1 on their plea deal and Andy has consistently asked old and new RHONJ stars (Caroline Manzo) about the Giudices. Hence, he is trying to keep their sad legal woes relevant.

      • Trippinhhard

        It works for both of them, they do need the money, but they haven’t changed their lifestyle…

      • In New Jersey

        There are 2 clips on You Tube from WWHL, one from the first part of the interview and one from the second. Andy asked how they would repay the money and Teresa answered by working. Andy seemed very surprised by that answer.

        • WestCoastFeed

          I’m heartened by your reaction that Andy seemed surprised. I do hope Bravo will not be rewarding the felons by continuing to hire them.

          • In New Jersey

            I feel the same way, it just bothers me to see them continuing to profit from all of this. I live in the same area as these people and we are often judged by their behavior.

          • michey

            I think Bravo will face some fairly serious backlash if they continue to pay them after being convicted and sentenced to prison time.

          • Anne Green

            Bravo has no integrity.

          • Stacy Slotnick

            The “specials” were quite absurd. We didn’t learn much and unfortunately, the whole thing appeared quite pathetic. They need to bow out for a second from the limelight and Bravo should focus on new programming. RHONJ was just terrible this season.

          • michey

            I think the entire NJ version of the HW franchise may have some serious issues with cast members that will have legal problems in the near future

          • Stacy Slotnick

            Pray tell…who do you think will need expertise of Miles Feinstein in future?

          • michey

            Laurita’s Wakiles Marcheses and Gorga’s

          • WestCoastFeed

            Being tarred with the Teresa brush cannot be fun.

          • Trippinhhard

            Come on WCF Bravo is full of it n they will be milking this to the end..
            They do need the money, but no one is being paid ..

    • Stacy Slotnick

      It would not shock me if Bravo and Teresa are negotiating a tell-all after prison episode as we chat tonight.

      • Anne Green

        I agree 100% Stacy! Teresa is Bravo’s cash cow and they condone her crimes for that reason alone. $$$$$

  • Tre’s Going to Prison

    Stacy,
    With Joe now having a conviction in the Federal Court and a conviction in the State Court, does he now have two strikes in the whole three strikes your out scenario?

    • Stacy Slotnick

      Hmmm…it doesn’t work that way but it sounds nice and tidy. Let’s just say his multiple pleas make him no candidate for politics.

      • Tre’s Going to Prison

        I’m confused. Are these just multiple pleas and not true convictions then? Or does it take a different sort of conviction to have recognition in the 3 strikes scenario?

        • nan/4

          Do they have the 3 strikes law in NJ?

        • Stacy Slotnick

          They are convicted felons.

          • Tre’s Going to Prison

            Okay, then is Joe just a singular convicted felon in the Federal court system as well as then again a singular convicted felon in the State court system?
            Therefore, if the 3 strikes picture comes up at all, he would need 2 more convictions in either or both of them to amount to the 3 strikes law…if it even applies here?

          • nan/4

            If the law stand in NJ, it’s a very good question Tre’s. JMO! 😉

          • Tre’s Going to Prison

            Hi Nan,
            I’ll see about researching that.

          • nan/4

            Yeah……that’s the ticket! lol No matter what, I thinks he’s outta here once he’s served his time, so how many strikes he has against him would be moot in that case. I’m no legal eagle though…;-/

          • Tre’s Going to Prison

            New Jersey does have a 3 Strikes Law, I believe as of 1995. In most states it refers to a habitual offender situation and usually there is a caveat of “serious” or “violent” as directly part of the crime(s) that are committed that the person is convicted of.
            So far I haven’t seen a line of demarcation indicating that the convictions have to be of all state or all federal, or a combination thereof.

    • nan/4

      Great question Tre’s!

      Hiya toots! 😉

      • Tre’s Going to Prison

        Hi Sweetness!

  • Trippinhhard

    When are the repayment terms set up start paying creditors?? Or are they awaiting lawsuits, which I’m sure some filed years ago..

    • Stacy Slotnick

      I believe they have to start paying immediately however enforcing debt is another story.

    • CeeJay

      Surely the law suits and liens started building up years ago, hence their attempt to file bankruptcy. Hell, even the architect who did the plans for the addition to their home back in 2003 was never paid. These two have been stealing services and goods for years.

      • Stacy Slotnick

        I wouldn’t even want to glance at the interest they own on their debts. Wowza that would be a large number.

        • Pinky Pie

          Yes, the interest owed, alone, would have me curled in a ball rocking back and forth! However, I don’t think they intend to repay it with the exception of the IRS.

      • michey

        She also owes over 12k to a fertility clininc

      • Trippinhhard

        CJ well the only ppl paid are the ones they need to use again. These two really don’t care and the superior attitude they show is disgusting.

  • michey

    I have been thinking about this since this afternoon. It seems a bit irresponsible to me that Judge Salas didn’t take the next step for the kids and order a CPS investigation. After all Joe’s attorney told her that he has an alcohol problem and she is aware that he will be the primary parent while Teresa is gone to prison. What do you think?

    • Stacy Slotnick

      I know it sounds crazy and counterintuitive, but a criminal law judge may not be well versed in family law and issues regarding child welfare. Lawyers, that includes judges, are kind of like doctors in that we specialize and know a few areas of practice but not all. For instance, environmental law would not be something I’d be entirely comfortable discussing with a client. I’d refer them to a specialist. The judge may not have the expertise to handle it. Hopefully CPC will pick up whatever ball was potentially dropped and get the family help.

      • WestCoastFeed

        And from the reported conversation we got described the lawyers exchange with the judge, I got the impression that she was discounting what he was saying about Joe’s drinking. That she looked at it as an effort to get Joe into a rehab prison facility where he could shorten his sentence by successfully completing a rehab program. I got the impression that she thought the lawyer was overstating his case for rehab.

      • In New Jersey

        Judging from what I have seen in NJ, CPC is unlikely to get involved. An alcoholic parent is not enough for them to take action. Maybe if the school were to call, but I don’t know.

        • Stacy Slotnick

          True, but this is a very high profile case for them, so if they don’t intervene and something happens, their office could be criminally negligent. That would be a worse-case scenario for them.

          • In New Jersey

            I hope you are right.

          • michey

            I agree and I got the impression that Joe’s attorney was aiming for a court ordered rehab in lieu of prison time

    • jane

      Hi michey! In NJ, the Department of Children and Families, has a division called CP&P (Child Protection & Permanency), formerly DYFS). I have a family member who worked for the state as a counselor for children at risk in the home who were removed and placed into a safe house funded by the state. I will say that it is extremely difficult to prove neglect and abuse in the home environment with every incident needing to be documented and accumulate enough documentation to remove the children from the home. And as we all know, there are many children out there who grow up in abusive homes with or without an alcoholic parent. The degree and severity of that abuse can far exceed what we would think acceptable without any intervention or someone stepping in. Abuse of children is far more widespread than what is dealt with within the system.

      • michey

        Thank you for your response. After seeing this show since season one and watching Joe basically have very little responsibility for the girls it is very worrisome that he will be the primary caregiver. Add to that he clearly has a drinking problem as seen on the show for all seasons IMO

        • jane

          It is a very sad situation which, as you point out, we have seen on our television screens being played out. Heaven knows what really goes on when the cameras are gone behind closed doors. We can only hope and pray for those girls. They are going to need it sorely.

  • Anne Green

    Dr. Seuss mentioned that the Giudice’s could create an LLC and would likely be granted a mortgage to purchase a new home. Do you believe this to be the case?

    • Stacy Slotnick

      That would be incredibly irresponsible of them. They should not be buying homes. Just renting…or sleeping on grandma’s couch. A lot of families go with far less each day. They need to learn to economize.

      • nan/4

        AMEN!

        • KJ

          Hi nan

          • nan/4

            HI KJ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! How are you my wonderful, stupendous, beautiful friend??? I have missed seeing you here! I’m happy now though….:-)

          • KJ

            Hi love bug!!
            Did you have a good time at the winery?? LOL
            I can’t stay long but I wanted to drop in quick

          • nan/4

            We didn’t go!!!! Our dog-sitter got sick. I didn’t want to go anyway. Shhhh…don’t tell. lol Wine gives me a migraine headache!

          • KJ

            I can’t drink wine at all!! I’m a beer drinker when I drink!

          • nan/4

            I’m happy with one Bloody Mary, light on the vodka. 😉

      • Trippinhhard

        But that’s not Teresa’s style—that 2K purse she had, she didn’t need that if it cost 50.00, you owe everyone, pay your bills, before you buy designer things..
        Then she lied to Andy’s face—his eyes told it all—he couldn’t believe they were still evading stealing, lying n hiding assets… Just plain dumb
        Teresa is one woman who can’t say she did anything wrong or she’s truely sorry..

      • In New Jersey

        I think what is the most bothersome is that I don’t think Teresa really understands this. I get the feeling that she believes she will stay in that house, repay some of the debt and carry on with the life she loves.

      • Hahahaha! Love your wit, Stacy.

        • KJ

          Hi doc!! How are u luv

          • Hi KJ!! I’m well honey. Just busy as usual. How are you and Alex doing?

          • KJ

            I’m good thanks!
            Alex is hanging in there!! :)) loving this fall weather!!
            Been crazy busy with dr appts! Getting ready for surgery! Ugh

          • Take it one day at a time. You’re an amazing mom. Please keep us posted on how the surgery goes.

  • michey

    Stacy
    What do you think is the reasoning behind Teresa doing her time before Joe does his?

    • Stacy Slotnick

      It felt to me like the judge wanted Teresa to get it over with so she could resume her life and let the chips fall where they may with Joe. What say you?

      • michey

        I felt it was because of the immigration issue at first but now I’m just not sure.

        • Stacy Slotnick

          Moreover, because Teresa’s sentence is shorter, it makes logical sense for her to serve her time first. In order for the Giudice children to have a parent in the house, the judge created a workable solution in her eyes.

          • Trippinhhard

            They lucky they both DIdnt go to jail at the same time, like blue collar crimes. Teresa just knew she was getting probation..

          • michey

            That makes sense to me thanks

  • michey

    So anyone think Teresa will file for divorce? If so will she do it before she goes to prison?

    • Stacy Slotnick

      I thought Phaedra Parks’ interview on Ellen was telling and foreshadows a possible Teresa roadmap. (Phaedra filed for divorce after Apollo Nida sent to prison on fraud charges.)

      • michey

        Yes and I think Phaedra is another that sang like a canary to avoid prosecution

        • Stacy Slotnick

          We will see when and if she is deposed how much she knew. She speaks eloquently but I am not buying her “I was in the dark” act.

          • michey

            Neither do I and she is a very savy attorney also

          • KJ

            Hi Michey & Stacey,
            Do you honestly think that the judge will believe her?
            And if she is indicted that she could get a jury to believe that “while she was so busy “breast feeding” she didn’t know what he was doing for the last 3 or so years??

          • Anne Green

            Shouldn’t she be just a little bit scared that Apollo is going to write a tell-all book?

          • Stacy Slotnick

            Excellent point. She was clearly coached to talk about her boys and show pics of them to gain sympathy. It will be intriguing to see how her deposition unfolds and whether she is charged with any crime or conspiracy to commit a crime.

          • KJ

            The lady that is also charged with is more than happy to sin like a bird about her & the new hw made a comment about her going to the “clinker” before long!!

          • ✿❀❁ Tigerlily ❁❀✿

            http://media1.giphy.com/media/poYXHJaQX808w/200.gif

            Oooooohh did I just go there?

            Yup! I did!

      • In New Jersey

        I really don’t know, it will be very hard for Teresa to admit to any imperfection. She has spent a lot of time and energy on the we are together line of crap.

        • Stacy Slotnick

          You are right. I think that is why she has such a hard time dealing with her sister-in-law and brother because they are in a committed marriage with happy children. That must irk her to no end.

          • Shy-ra

            Indeed!! You hit the nail right on the head. Jealousy fuels her into a frenzy- she can’t contain herself

    • Anne Green

      I do think she will but not before she goes to the hoosegow. She won’t want to upset the apple cart. IMO, she would be better off financially if she get divorced. Let’s face it, they are not going to pay the entire $13M debt. So, if she even pays $4M in her share of debt that might just be doable for her. Joe is never going to paid his share of the debt and he will continue to be an anchor around her neck

    • CeeJay

      I think after she spends close to 15 months in prison, having a lot of time to think it over, she will file papers when Joe goes in.

      • KJ

        Hi CeeJay,
        I don’t think she will, the reason being; she is going to be depending on HIS family to lean on while he’s in prison. She’s a convicted felon & she made that clear that she really only had his family & her parents!!

        • CeeJay

          Hey KJ! Good point. She does really depend on that group and seems happy to be around them. Maybe she wouldn’t want to risk losing that support. I just can’t imagine a marriage surviving all of this.

      • michey

        And that 15 months will give her the time to come out and blame all of this on Joe and file for divorce in order to help her be the victim again

        • Stacy Slotnick

          I find your comment funny because there are several kernels of truth in what you say.

          • michey

            It’s the perfect way for Teresa to get public sympathy

        • KJ

          That may be true, but whose going to want to marry a convicted felon, with 4 kids that can’t speak English, write, & has been to prison & can’t cook??

        • Trippinhhard

          Teresa has never been a victim, she’s the aggressor in most cases.
          She can’t apologize to her own family for her nasty actions, so unless someone shakes the crap out of her, she’s hopeless..

          • KJ

            Amen sista

          • michey

            I agree 100% but she is still trying to paint herself a victim as we speak

  • disqus_nx4MfF4kvy

    If what you say is true her handlers would realize that fact also and advise her to be more humble and remorseful,. She sure needs to make every dime she can if she wants to pay back her debts as she says. I think if it wasn’t for Joe she wouldn’t ne in this position nor would she be a reality personality. That table flip was pure serendipity she couldn’t have planed it

    • Stacy Slotnick

      That is right. Her book should be titled, “Glaring Omissions and Inconsistencies” primarily because it admits to her shortcomings which is refreshing for us to see.

      • In New Jersey

        She needs to listen to someone like you, but her delusion will make her unable to.

        • Anne Green

          I wonder what her attorney would say to the world……if he could…hummm???

          • Trippinhhard

            Fools for clients but that’s how they earn their money..they worked extra hard for these lying crooks. A lawyer can’t protect his client, if they keep lying n not telling him everything and defense attorneys hate being caught off guard. Because 8 out of 10 are guilty, but that’s their job to pick the case apart. But these two made it hard for their lawyers.

          • Stacy Slotnick

            I agree. Lawyers cannot lie and cover up facts and evidence. Blaming their lawyers for not “protecting” them is very lame.

          • Stacy Slotnick

            I wish I could be more articulate but that’s the truth: It’s a lame argument to put forth.

        • Stacy Slotnick

          That is very kind of you to say. We try and counsel our clients as succinctly and clearly as possible to help them. Sometimes, you are right — clients have their own minds and think they know more and are above the law.

          • michey

            And I also think people like Teresa surrounds themselves with “YES” people as much as possible

          • In New Jersey

            Yes and really, it should make me sad, but the two of them seem so smug, all I feel is anger at what they have done without really taking responsibility.

    • nan/4

      You think it was Joe’s idea to be on the show? And she was totally in the dark as far as the crimes that were committed? I don’t follow…

      • nan/4

        Okay. Got ya’! Nevermind. lol

        • Anne Green

          Here we go again Nan…..lol

          • nan/4

            Hahahaa! At least YOU’RE paying attention Anne! You’re the BEST! 🙂

          • Anne Green

            Maybe if you start off each post with “EXCUSE ME!!!! EXCUSE ME!!!”
            That might work…lol

          • nan/4

            LOLOL!!!!!!!! I’ll have to try that. Remember when we used to raise our hands in class, and if we really knew the answer, we would make noises like “EWWW, EWWW!” That might work……OMG…..I’m LMAO here!!!!!

          • Anne Green

            That’s exactly what I mean!! Some of us have to fight harder than others for attention…..LMAO

          • nan/4

            Story of my life….KIdding. Maybe…sorta, kinda…. hehe

            You’re a HOOT! 😉

          • Trippinhhard

            It’s the truth —- doing what’s right DONT get attention. Just like your lazy ass co worker, getting a raise and not earning it.. Can’t worry about that lazy ass heffa, but it’s surely irks me, but I would never show it.. LOL
            I detest lazy ppl

  • michey

    Stacy
    If god forbid one of Teresa’s parents were to die while she’s in prison would she be allowed to attend the funeral? I don’t want this to happen to either of her parents but it’s a concern given their ages

    • Stacy Slotnick

      Unlikely. The fact is most prisons would not allow an inmate to attend a funeral. Madoff was not permitted to attend either of his son’s funerals.

      • michey

        That will be a huge issue for Teresa for sure

        • KJ

          No doubt! She’s going to lose it if her dad goes!! Damn!! That’s a big possibility also!
          I mean it’s all in God’s plan but damn!!

          • michey

            I think his health will suffer even more after she goes to prison too

          • KJ

            Amen sista! No truer words!!
            She did this! NOT just joe!!

          • michey

            I will never believe she wasn’t just as involved as Joe. What wife would not question the kind of money coming in knowing her husband had little to no work at all

          • KJ

            No doubt! Fake W2’s. Fake jobs?? C’mon!! BS!! Piss”s me off Bc those kids don’t deserve those kids as parents!!

          • Pinky Pie

            Or, those parents don’t deserve those 4.children.

          • KJ

            True!!
            Hell they didn’t even pay for them! God love them

      • KJ

        Both his sons died?? How old where they?? Dang that sucks!!

        • Stacy Slotnick

          I know. The entire family is a tragedy of the highest proportions. His older son committed suicide and his younger son died of cancer.

          • KJ

            Omgosh! How awful!! Over $$$
            The thing I just said!! Is it was NOT just JOE it was HER also

        • CeeJay

          The Madoff situation is a perfect example of the type of havoc this sort of thing can wreak on families

          • Stacy Slotnick

            Yes, and how greed is NOT good.

          • michey

            Money is the root of their evil for sure

    • KJ

      Great question

      • michey

        I was not trying to be mean but that is really a concern I would have if I had to go to prison

        • KJ

          No I thought the same thing, look how often he’s been in the hospital! Although, Stacey does it make a difference Bc it’s federal & not state??

          • michey

            She answered me early that she would not be able to go to the funeral. Madoff was not allowed to go to either of his sons funerals

          • Stacy Slotnick

            In what way?

          • KJ

            If she could go to the funeral? I’m sorry, I just asked the ? Up above also

  • michey

    Teresa has 15 months give or take a little bit to plot and plan her big comeback. IMO she will come out of prison a bigger victim than when she went in.

    • nan/4

      Not in my eyes she won’t! But that’s just me.

      • michey

        Mine neither but that will be her sick plan

        • WestCoastFeed

          Yes, Caroline called it. She will show to the world what a strong, independent woman she is, raising her 4 beautiful dawters on her own while he husband who wronged her serves his time in jail.

          • CeeJay

            Caroline did call it. Didn’t she also say Tre would write a book about it too?

          • michey

            She sure did

          • KJ

            Hi WCF!!
            How are you luv!!
            Been missing you!!

          • WestCoastFeed

            Great, thanks. Watching the Giants game with all my fingers and toes crossed. Hoping we can end it tonight.

          • KJ

            I KNOW!! I want you all here in KCK TUES

          • KJ

            But WE want the CROWN!! LOL

          • WestCoastFeed

            Sorry, we win in even years. You are going to have to wait.

          • KJ

            Oh NO, young lady!! It’s been 29 years here!! Literally!! Lol

          • nan/4

            Go Eagles!!!!

          • WestCoastFeed

            Wrong sport. nan. 🙂

          • nan/4

            oh….Phillies???? hahahaha

          • WestCoastFeed

            Too late for the Phillies, too.

          • nan/4

            OMG! I’m so embarrassed. And I come from a family of sports fanatics too! Oopsie!

          • WestCoastFeed

            It’s okay, nan, Although I just might start calling you Emily.

          • nan/4

            LOL!!!!!!

          • MorningYawn

            Always ok to give a shout out to the Birds!

          • MorningYawn

            #FlyEaglesFly 5-1 baby! Much needed bye week. 😉

          • nan/4

            I’m painting my face green M.Y.! LOL!

            I hope you have a fun weekend honey! 😉

          • MorningYawn

            You too mama!

          • Stacy Slotnick

            It’s like a regular reunion here on AATT. A legally-oriented reunion but a reunion nonetheless!

          • KJ

            Stac,
            You may not have seen but if she was in a state prison and say lost a parent wud she b able to go then, or it’s just she’s NOT going! Federal state! It doesn’t matter! ??

          • Stacy Slotnick

            A prison warden will usually not allow prisoners to leave under any circumstances.

          • KJ

            I see! Thanks lovey!! ::))

          • Trippinhhard

            Some states let criminals go see their deceased family…

    • CeeJay

      I agree she’ll be a huge victim. That will be her m.o for the rest of her life.

  • In New Jersey

    Stacy, thank you for doing this. It has been informative and fun!

    • Stacy Slotnick

      My pleasure In New Jersey. Thanks for joining the Q&A! Until next time…

      • KJ

        Yes thank you SO much! You are a doll!!

  • Trippinhhard

    Thank you Stacy, it’s been fun reading and blogging

  • michey

    I have never been in any trouble at all but I am fairly sure that even the best attorney in the world can’t help clients that lie to them all the time. Never lie to your DR. or your lawyer end of story

    • Trippinhhard

      I just typed the same thing, have two DA in my family.

      • michey

        Great minds lol

        • Trippinhhard

          IKR. lol

    • Stacy Slotnick

      True story, indeed. Pinning their prison future on their lawyer’s alleged shortcomings is ridiculous. I’d like to see them file a grievance against their attorneys with bar association and then attempt to back it up with facts. It will NEVER happen. Any evidence Teresa or Joe have of supposed lawyer malpractice would just implicate them further in their fraud schemes.

      • michey

        Stacy
        I read the plea agreement online that Teresa signed. I’m no attorney but it was very clear to me that she knew she might be facing prison time

        • Flanagan

          I read it too. Even Teresa should be able to understand it. It CLEARLY states the penalties for the charges she pleaded guilty to. I suppose she thought by pleading guilty she was off the hook for any prison time. I’m sure her attorney made that clear, but in Teresa land, she never lets herself be confused by the facts.

      • Trippinhhard

        They are not that dumb..

        • WestCoastFeed

          No, but they have a bunch of fans who really are that dumb and think she should appeal.

          • CeeJay

            I actually saw her fans (on another site) discussing the FACT that Teresa and Joe did have their schedule of assets at the sentencing hearing, but their lawyers didn’t find it until after her sentence was given. They were all saying the judge should reverse her prison sentence since that was the reason she gave for giving her time. Can you believe that craziness? People swore someone in the court room was tweeting that info.

          • WestCoastFeed

            Yes, alas, I believe that craziness. We had a poster her who thought that the judge should be impeached for miscarriage of justice.

          • Flanagan

            Thanks, WestCoast…I just spit my coke across the room…impeached? miscarriage of justice? Dear God, I need something stronger than a coke.

          • TartLemon

            Well, if that were true, Teresa would have said so. “They’re right here Judge”. No need to blame the attorneys and accountants later. JUST PUBLISH THE DOCUMENTS.

            Therefore, never happened.

        • Flanagan

          I think they are.

  • michey

    Joe and Teresa both have elderly parents. Joe’s mom just lost her husband and her home and now she has to live through her son and his wife going to prison. Teresa’s father has been sick many times as seen on the show.

    • WestCoastFeed

      Oh, oh, I was going to pop in and prewarn you all to steer far away from calling folks elderly. We old folks are very sensitive about that term, especially when you refer to people 20 years our juniors as elderly. Watch it, michey!

      • CeeJay

        Here we go again WCF. I feel for you. Some how I don’t envision you being “elderly” and the 58 year old Filomena is not elderly either. I don’t think a lot of people realize that Filomena got pregnant with Joe when she was fifteen years old.

        • michey

          Well if she’s 58 then I’m elderly also not to far from her age. I meant no disrespect at all

          • CeeJay

            You’re not elderly and neither is Filomena. But, no doubt Filomena has aged over all of this and she’s probably battling depression.

          • michey

            I agree and the stress of all of this for many years is not good either

          • CeeJay

            Maybe SHE’LL go back to Italy and leave them all behind.

          • WestCoastFeed

            It’s good, michey,

          • jane

            Oh my! I chuckled when I read all that on the other thread! I think we all know that 60 is the new 40!! That being said, I am 62 and Filomena looks way older than me IMO. And I do not consider myself elderly by any stretch of the imagination whatsoever. Anyway, I look at “age” as a state of mind. No one is “elderly” unless they consider themselves to be!

          • WestCoastFeed

            I like to remind people that Teresa’s father is the same age as Mick Jagger. Somehow I can’t imagine anyone calling him elderly, but I guess youngsters see him that way.

          • jane

            Yeah, but Mick on stage can still give the Biebs a run for his money any day!!

          • nan/4

            60 is the new 40? Tell my bones that, would you please? lol

          • Lmaooooo!!!!!

          • Flanagan

            I have to jump in here. I’m 61, and I sure don’t think of myself as elderly. I can’t paint the kitchen in one day like I used to, but I love all the things I did when I was younger. I love to decorate my house for Halloween, and hide in the bushes and jump out at the trick or treaters and give them a good scare. I love eating popcorn at the movies, and going on Space Mountain at Disneyland. I’m never going to get “old”.

          • They’re totally joking. I started this old geezer babble last night, then got hit with a walker and I shut up.

          • ✿❀❁ Tigerlily ❁❀✿

            YOU WHIPPERSNAPPER!

      • nan/4

        LOL! YEAH!!!!!! I’m with you WCF!!!!! (That was a joke) Ahem…..

        • nan/4

          HERE WE GO AGAIN ANNE!!!!!! I’m taking my jacks and going home…..

          • WestCoastFeed

            🙂

          • Anne Green

            Noooooooooo!!!!

          • nan/4

            Ya’ wanna play? I’ll even let you go first! HA!

          • michey

            I meant no disrespect at all

          • nan/4

            I know michey! I’m totally kidding! Honest and true!!!!! :-))))

          • michey

            thanks I guess that is a naughty word lol

          • WestCoastFeed

            You weren’t here last night, so you missed the beginning of the fuss with my angst.

          • Elderly!!!!!!!!!!

            Sorry that was my ghost writer. J/k

          • nan/4

            You’re just fine. No worries! Come back and visit soon, I hope!

          • Harleygirl0685

            I pretty sure the less offensive more respectable term the elderly prefer is OLD FART

  • CeeJay

    Stacy, given the varied details of their case, what do you think the next ball to drop will be?

  • KJ

    Hey everyone, it was SO much fun!! Love to you all!! Have to go take care of Alex!!
    Good night, & tell everyone that I missed that I miss them ALL!! :((

    • nan/4

      Take care honey. Give my love to Alex! TTYL!

      Love ya!

      Nancy
      xo

    • ✿❀❁ Tigerlily ❁❀✿

      Hi’ya KJ. So sorry I missed chatting with you. Please send my love to Alex. Hope you had a good day & wishing you a sensational weekend!

  • michey

    Time for me to exit and thanks everyone for the conversations. Stacy thanks for all of you insight. AATT thanks for the forum.

    • WestCoastFeed

      Come back soon, michey, please. You have been a valuable asset to today’s conversation.

      • michey

        I will for sure! I have been up since 4 this morning so it’s time for me to go to bed. Thanks for all the convo’s today.

    • nan/4

      Thank YOU for all of the wonderful questions michey! Be well honey!

      • michey

        thanks you and I’m sure we’ll talk again

    • Thank you for making a valuable contribution to today’s forum. Please come back and share more!

  • Anne Green

    Again, thank you to AATT and Stacy!! I appreciate you taking time out of you personal life to answer our questions. You’re a delight to have here.

    • nan/4

      YES! YES! THAT’S SO TRUE! It really is Stacy. You’re terrific! 😉

      Think anyone saw this one Anne?

      • ✿❀❁ Tigerlily ❁❀✿

        Hey Honey! Sorry I missed you. Hope you are feeling better everday.

        • nan/4

          Hiya TL! I’m sorry that you missed posting with Stacy! It really was so informative, plus it was a blast! I hope that you and yours are all doing GREAT!!!!

          TTYL, how about that?

          Love ya,
          xo

          • ✿❀❁ Tigerlily ❁❀✿

            Hey’ya Nan! I am having a crappy day! My new laptop updated & now I can’t open any browsers. I am on my 8 year old laptop & it’s slower than Methuselah. I am sooo pissed off right now!

          • nan/4

            Uh oh. I’m sorry. What can I do to make you not as pissed off? I could sing you a song, or knit you a sweater, or bake you a cake, or take out your trash…You name it snookums!!!! 😉

          • ✿❀❁ Tigerlily ❁❀✿

            A big hug & a smile from my best buddy Nan would help!
            That & throwing the laptop against than wall & stomping on it.
            My motto for unruly machinery is when all else fails violence prevails (JK) Still want to snap the frickin’ frackin’ thing in half though!

          • nan/4

            LOL!!!!! The big hug and smile are yours. Okay, now. Get ready, set…..THROW & STOMP!!!!!!

            Feel better yet?

          • ✿❀❁ Tigerlily ❁❀✿

            UGH! Wish I could smash it cause yes I would feel better getting my aggressions out on the blasted thing! BUT I will still take the smile & the hug. That always makes me feel better. Especially from my Nan!

          • nan/4

            I’ll email you…..

          • ✿❀❁ Tigerlily ❁❀✿

            K. That will make my evening much better. See smilin’ already!
            http://media3.giphy.com/media/GBqEWZB6HL8nm/200.gif

          • nan/4

            Nice teeth! Are those veneers?

          • ✿❀❁ Tigerlily ❁❀✿

            It’s my new chompers. You like? Hee-hee!
            You’ve got mail. I replied to you Hon.

          • Harleygirl0685

            I just had a laugh at your expense about your computer troubles in your convo with Nan…lol ! Seems she’s feeling pretty generous. Do you think if I tell her I’m pissed about something she’ll sing, knit & bake for me? Maybe even get me some new boobies, a few Botox injections and maybe even throw in a tummy tuck?

      • Harleygirl0685

        Hi my Philly friend! How are you?

        • nan/4

          I’m doing good Harley! Thanks for asking! How have you been sweetie? I hope that you’ve been well! 🙂

          • Harleygirl0685

            That’s good to hear! I’m good, keeping busy with my mom! Living life on life’s terms, one day at a time! Have a great weekend!

  • ✿❀❁ Tigerlily ❁❀✿

    Hello AAtT fambly!
    Awesome Q & A! Totally kick-ass!
    Thanks so much AATT!
    Stacey thanks so much for all your time & effort. It was awesome!
    & AAtT fambly. You guys & dolls rock with all the intelligent, insightful questions!

    • Harleygirl0685

      Hey girlfriend ! How are ya? I’m bummed I missed today! I’ve been so busy lately I had to get to the grocery store before my family starved to death or even worse not be able to use the bathroom due to the lack of TP…LOL.

      • ✿❀❁ Tigerlily ❁❀✿

        Hi Harley! Don’t feel bad. I missed it too. I was also late to the party. LOL!
        Computer problems. I am currently using my back-up laptop. My 8 year old dinosaur. So old it actually has a dial on it for volume control. Takes 5 mins. to open a browser & 10 minutes to load. Then it freezes &/or crashes!
        It’s making me crazy! Like Tre, it’s brain is too small & even though I lobotomized it as best I could it still has issues!

        Hmmm, gotta feed the kiddos. Don’t want to see you up before a judge! Hope you have an awesome weekend Love. Enjoy!

        • Harleygirl0685

          Lol, I have one of those! It’s on the desk under a pile of papers! I’m not sure I even remember how to use it cause I use my phone all the time! You have a great weekend also!

  • Jennymckitty

    I’m so sorry I missed all the fun today. I didn’t get a break at all today but all my dogs were sooo friendly. I spent a little too much time making out with them so I didn’t get to check out the site today. I will read over the 600+ messages in the am. Thanks to Stacy & AATT in advance.

    • Harleygirl0685

      Hi Jen! I finally got the chance today to get that Zoom Groom! I can’t thank you enough for that peice of advice! My son took Thor outside and the amount of hair that came off him was insane! Definitely the best $10 I ever spent. Thank you, thank you, THANK YOU!

      • Jennymckitty

        You are so welcome. It doesn’t look like it would get off that much hair but it is an expensive, amazing tool. Glad it worked for Thor.

        • Harleygirl0685

          How cute is he after being Zoom Groomed!

          • Jennymckitty

            OMG, he is so cute. I would definitely make out with him if he was in my salon. I have a thing for bully dog faces.

          • Harleygirl0685

            I know right! Love, Love, Love him 🙂 He’s a Staffordshire Bull Terrier. He’s got the best personality, he is so friggin funny, 55lbs of nothing but pure love, and he gives the best kisses!

          • Jennymckitty

            I’ll bet he is a great lap dog. Bull mastiffs are the best lap dogs. Every time I sit in the floor to do their nails, they back up and sit on my lap.

          • Harleygirl0685

            Thor thinks he is a 3lb kitten! He is comical! God forbid I get up, he steals my seat then grunts and groans like I’m bothering him when I try to sit again! He is so spoiled and we wouldn’t have it any other wat!