Teresa Giudice: Flipping the Tables on the Giudice Plea Deal

Posted on Aug 15 2014 - 12:38pm by Stacy Slotnick, Esq.

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Plea deals are as common in the criminal justice system as Fabellinis are at a Milania Hair Care launch. “Ours for the most part is a system of pleas, not a system of trials,” Justice Anthony M. Kennedy said for the majority in Missouri v. Frye and Lafler v. Cooper. That observation by the U.S. Supreme Court was proven accurate on March 4, 2014 when RHONJ stars Teresa and Joe Giudice pled guilty to 9 charges despite the fact they faced a 41-count indictment alleging they engaged in mail and wire fraud, bank fraud, and bankruptcy fraud from 2001 to 2011. Court documents also claim that Joe failed to submit tax returns for 2004 through 2008.

 

With sentencing set for September 23, those in the legal community are left scratching their heads wondering how the Giudices worked their black magic to free themselves of 32 charges.

The criminal justice system uses sentence discounts to induce guilty pleas, but I bet Posche Boutique in Wayne, N.J. never offered markdowns of this caliber. I’ll borrow Jim Marchese’s pejorative words and submit that anyone with an IQ above 12 knows this arrangement isn’t kosher. If U.S. Attorney for the District of New Jersey Paul J. Fishman had evidence to support a 41-count indictment, why were Juicy Joe and the Fabulicious author permitted to plead guilty to a paltry 9 counts?

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It is difficult—but not impossible—to speculate why prosecutors signed off on this merciful plea deal. Some argue the government overcharged the dynamic duo from Towaco, N.J., however criminal law is not Million Dollar Listing reincarnated. When sellers list their homes, it is customary for the asking price to be 10 to 15% above the desired sale price so that negotiations can take place. The same cannot be said of prosecutors, who ethically cannot overcharge a suspect in an effort to reach a prosecutor-negotiated plea bargain.

If a DA knowingly brings charges that are unsupported by the facts, he or she may be subject to discipline for failing to abide by ABA Model Rule 3.8 Special Responsibilities of a Prosecutor. Subsection (a) of that regulation states a prosecutor in a criminal case shall “refrain from prosecuting a charge that the prosecutor knows is not supported by probable cause.” As such, there has to be another reason why the government agreed to such a dud of a deal.

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I will not name names because I have no interest in being on the receiving end of a libel suit, but I have a sneaking suspicion the Skinny Italian creator and her winemaking hubby served up bigger fish—the mouthwatering kind devoured at their lavish Christmas Eve parties—in exchange for a generous plea deal.

The Giudices refined their criminal acumen somewhere, so it is conceivable they threw others under the bus to avoid 50 years in the slammer. While it may be “gross” to live in somebody else’s house as Teresa so gracefully chimed in on season 1 of RHONJ, most criminals find nothing objectionable to saving their own neck by breaking someone else’s.

Attorney General (and later Supreme Court Justice) Robert H. Jackson once commented: “If the prosecutor is obliged to choose his cases, it follows he can choose his defendants.” Did prosecutors elect to reduce the charges against the Giudices in exchange for information that led to the arrest of other, more nefarious criminals? Remember, while the Fifth Amendment prohibits compelling a person to incriminate himself (or herself), bargaining for information is entirely constitutional.

Add 1 + 1 and you get two people who would do anything to avoid an extended prison sentence so they could be with their four young daughters. Further south on the New Jersey Turnpike, the government looked like they got clobbered with a 37” fireplace poker. That’s why there must have been additional motivations propelling prosecutors to accept this disproportionate deal.

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What the Giudices pulled off here was nothing short of astonishing. The stars of Bravo flipped the roles of both prosecutor and defendant on their head. For decades, defense attorneys have barked that criminal prosecutors exploit plea deals and strong-arm defendants. Here, Teresa and Joe reversed the plea deal paradigm by walking away 32 counts lighter, which is a good thing considering they’ve got countless bottles of fine wine weighing down their opulent manse.

I am not too naive to believe that for every illegal action there is an equal and opposite “order” reaction. I have practiced law for nearly five-and-a-half years now, and I recognize justice is not necessarily a byproduct of the law as applied in every case. But when a cockeyed plea deal is negotiated, a rational person, regardless of their legal expertise, would question its terms. If the Giudices gave information that thwarted other criminal activity, this deal, as seen through a justice lens, becomes much more palatable.

Grab your gavel, use your commonsense, and join the conversation. You be the judge and tell me what you think about The Plea Deal That Wasn’t.

Please share your comments/questions with me in the comment section for a Q & A session. Thank you.

 

About the Author

Stacy Slotnick, a.k.a. The Foxy Jurist, holds a J.D., cum laude, from Touro Law Center and a B.A., summa cum laude, from the University of Massachusetts Amherst Commonwealth Honors College. Stacy is the recipient of the Honors Deans Award; Simon and Satenig Ermonian Memorial Scholarship; College of Social and Behavioral Sciences Opportunity Scholarship; and College of Humanities and Fine Arts Scholarship. She is also a William F. Field Alumni Scholar, an honor bestowed upon the most academically distinguished students. In law school, Stacy won two CALI Excellence For The Future Awards® and received an Achievement Scholarship. She is a member of the New York Bar. As an entertainment lawyer, Stacy counsels clients on contracts, branding, and public relations strategy. She negotiates with agents, producers, production companies, and lawyers to secure rights to projects on behalf of high-profile clients. Her clever, spirited, no holds barred legal analysis can be found in articles for The Huffington Post. * Facebook   * LinkedIn   * Twitter

  • italiano bambino

    If I understand well in order for the giudice to save there asses for a long time GOING AWAY (jail) they throw someone else under the bus? Why I’m not surprised.

    • Hi Bam! 🙂

      • italiano bambino

        Hi doc 🙂

    • Stacy Slotnick

      Boy, do you know how to tell it like it is. I’m glad my educated guess about what went down during The Plea Deal That Wasn’t bodes well with you, Italiano Bambino.

      • italiano bambino

        Those two just open a box of Pandora and I have a feeling all this ain’t over. I can’t wait for those who will come after the Giudice.

        • ✿♡❀♡❁ Tigerlily ❁♡❀♡✿

          Hi’ya Bam. Happy Friday! Apollo soon to be on his way, Fakedra might be next & then we’ve got that Dana Wilkey chippy from RHBH, with her foolish, braggity million $$$ sunglasses, lollipop this & that, now might do some time for fraud too! The hits just keep on coming.
          Seems lame-azz criminal thinking minds just might be a prerequisite for hiring at Bravo.

  • italiano bambino

    Great article btw and welcome stacy

    • Stacy Slotnick

      I appreciate tremendously your compliments. 🙂

      • italiano bambino

        Very welcome 🙂

  • WestCoastFeed

    Interesting. Does this mean that at some point they would have to testify against whoever it was they ratted out?

    • italiano bambino

      I just ask the same question. Hi wcf 🙂

    • That’s a great question.

    • Reality LuLu

      God I hope so. Can you imagine the paranoia they would have to live in? LOL

      • WestCoastFeed

        What would be more frightening? Prison time or facing the ire of the mob?

        • Reality LuLu

          Exactly! Either way they be fukked.

          • People like Teresa and Joe never think of the consequences of their actions. If they did they probably wouldn’t be in this “cawinkydick.”

        • Stacy Slotnick

          I’m not sure they could handle either, WestCoastFeed.

          • Jennymckitty

            The mob would be afraid of Miliania.

    • Stacy Slotnick

      Good question. Possibly. The more likely scenario is that they handed over proofs to the prosecutor and the prosecutor is investigating their claims or has already. If they had to testify against individuals in exchange for lighter sentences, you can be darn sure we would hear about it. Evidence is better than their testimony.

  • Reality LuLu

    Hi Stacy & welcome. Thank you so much for joining us and for giving your legal opinions. I also thought that the Giudice’s offered up a sacrificial lamb to help their case. What I am wondering however, is did the plea also include what their sentence will be? In other words, do they already know how much (if any) time they will do? If so, it could explain why Teresa seems so confident she is not “going away”.

    • Stacy Slotnick

      Great question. Judge Esther Salas will make a ruling as to sentencing at 10:30 am ET on September 23. Joe and Teresa’s lawyers have consulted, I am sure, with prosecutors regarding the type of sentence they will ask the court to hand down. Teresa was probably given ample information regarding the penalties she’ll likely receive, which may be why she seems so confident, as you say Reality LuLu, that she is “not going away.”

      • twifan2

        So how much time will the first person or if the both serve at the same time, will they have to get to prison?

      • disqus_nx4MfF4kvy

        With Teresa acting so confident can you imagine the backlash the Judge would receive if Teresa doesn’t go to prison, I can’t see it, Teresa will go to prison & Joe will eventually get deported.

  • EXCELLENT blog, Stacy! Thank you for lending your legal expertise on a subject we’re all fascinated with.

    My question is: Did the feds overcharge the Giudices? Is there such a thing and did it happen in this case?

    • toolate2care2000

      I would think that all the “wire fraud” type charges where dropped. Ok, we lied on this and didn’t file on that – those are legitimate charges …but give my a break when they have separate charges for just mailing the papers in.

      • Hi toolate2care! 🙂

        I believe the wire fraud/mail fraud charges are legit. They mailed fraudulent docs through the US mail and via phone/fax. They should be charged for that.

    • Stacy Slotnick

      Thanks Dr Seuss for the accolades! If I can help better explain legal nuances in a sassy way, I have done my job. Hopefully my blog answered this question about overcharging, but just in case the short of it is, according to bar ethics rules, a prosecutor cannot overcharge a suspect in an effort to reach a prosecutor-negotiated plea bargain. Does overcharging happen? It might, but as a member of the bar, I like to think well of my colleagues and to that end, I hope it occurs 0% of the time.

  • Bravolicious

    Great blog Stacey and welcome! In your opinion will Tre serve any time? I understand this is awful for their kids, but if she did the crime, she should do the time and not have the girls be a get out of jail free card

    • Stacy Slotnick

      The insightful questions just keep on coming! In my humble opinion, I think “Tre” will receive a hybrid sentence, meaning she will serve a shorter sentence coupled with community service or house arrest. However, guessing verdicts and sentence lengths is a bit like reading tea leaves–pun intended–as I thought Casey Anthony would most definitely be found guilty of either murder or manslaughter.

  • RealitytvJunkie

    Welcome Stacy. Informative well-written blog.

    My question is: Is Jersey filled with all criminals and rats?

    • Wendy Owen

      Few people know that our state motto is, “Jersey – We Know Where the Bodies are Buried.”

    • cait

      What have the rats ever done to you, RJ ?

      • RealitytvJunkie

        Sorry for insulting the rats of the world.

    • Stacy Slotnick

      Thanks RealitytvJunkie! I’m from New York (meaning I pronounce “coffee” and “talk” differently from the rest of America) but I’ve got lots of family in the Garden State so I hope Jersey isn’t filled with criminals and rats. Granted, the smell heard round the world in 2007 was blamed on NJ but the place isn’t so bad. Besides, if NJ didn’t house some criminals and rats, what would we be left to talk about?? 🙂

      • ✿♡❀♡❁ Tigerlily ❁♡❀♡✿

        REPRESENT Stacy! NY in da’ HOUSE! WOOT-WOOT! lol
        Same here. NY born & raised but many relatives in the Garden State, spent almost every Summer of my childhood there. Some really great fun places.
        Now Staten Island… I mean, Can we tawk? LOL!

      • RealitytvJunkie

        Love your great sense of humor. Thank you, Stacy.

  • Dave

    Finally a blog with a staff attorney. Great coup AATT.

    I want to know, will Tre serve any time and if so how much?

    • Stacy Slotnick

      Thanks Dave. I’m glad a website like All About The Tea is interested in having street cred by putting forth real experts. The sentencing guidelines provide that Teresa could serve somewhere in the vicinity of 21 to 27 months in prison. The court may take into account the fact the couple has four young daughters and stagger Joe and Teresa’s sentences. I think she might face a year or so in prison and then serve the rest of her sentence under house arrest. I guess no Fabellini or Fabulicious! PR campaigns for awhile.

      • twifan2

        Oh Please! Oh Please! From your mouth to God’s ear, Stacy! 🙂

      • Reality LuLu

        I sure hope you are right Stacy. That Bish needs to learn a lesson.

      • Thanks for setting us straight on this. Is the judge obliged to use the Federal Sentencing Guidelines when sentencing either one of them?

      • Jennymckitty

        Do you think they will try and make Tre serve first since Joe could face deportation after he has served!

  • cait

    C’mon guys ! We’d all sell out our ageing innocent Grannie to avoid prison ! If that didn’t work, Grandad gets it next !

    • Hey Cait! Happy Friday.

      • cait

        Hi Doc, my Fri coming to an end, but I’m cosy and comfy !

        • Aw, sweet…what time is it there?

          • cait

            19:40 hon.

          • And it’s 13:42 here.

  • Wendy Owen

    All well and good, but the REAL question here is, are fake eyelashes and eyelash glue allowed in prison?

    • Ahahahaha! Wendy, you crack me up!

      • Wendy Owen

        🙂 She just can’t go to the big house without ’em!

    • twifan2

      Nope, they are not.
      BUT blinking at 100/mph may be considered dangerous to others. :/

    • equinox2009

      I bet money Teresa will not serve one day in prison! If anything she will get house arrest. Joe however is going no doubt!

      • Wendy Owen

        Does a quadruple wide trailer with fake stone siding really count as a house?

  • My prediction for prison time for TreApe is 2-6 months but I still feel she’ll get house arrest alone. For Joe I predict 4-5 years.

    • Vince Foster, Jr.

      I bet you Teresa is going to claim that she is innocent after the sentencing date (I think she will get probation)

      • WestCoastFeed

        Stacy should be the one to answer this, but my understanding is that if she tries to claim innocence while she is under probation, the judge will get very pissed and slam her butt into prison.

      • Is she allowed to do that? I believe part of her plea deal stipulates she can’t ever publicly claim she’s innocent.

    • Dani-K

      I think you’re right on Joe, but I wouldn’t be shocked if Tre walked away with just house arrest.

      • Hi Dani-K…..same here! I feel it, deep in my gut, she’ll get house arrest only.

    • Marsbars09

      You know what Doc, now that Stacy laid it out like this your prediction is not far fetched. :/

  • twifan2

    Since both Tre & Juicy ARE felons now, will this blotch on their records have a bearing on their kids if & when they apply for Financial Aid for college?

  • ✿♡❀♡❁ Tigerlily ❁♡❀♡✿

    Great article Stacy. Welcome.
    So many questions…
    Paying back their creditors, when? Why hasn’t it happened yet? Why aren’t their ill gotten possessions, houses, etc., etc., being sold & her wages being garnished?
    Do you think Tre already knows she’s not gonna serve time?
    Do you think she will serve any time?
    If not, do you think they will make allowances for her to keep filming even under house-arrest?
    Can Tre profit from these crimes through book deals or TV deals in any way?
    Do you think Joe will eventually be deported?

    Okay I will stop there.

    • Hi T-Lily….Something tells me their creditors will never see a dime.

      • ✿♡❀♡❁ Tigerlily ❁♡❀♡✿

        Hi Doc! Happy Friday!
        See this is what makes me see red with this woman! As of yet, she gets NO punishment! She loses nothing, well maybe Juicy for a couple of years, but ya know… is that really punishment? Jk, I know that will devastate her in her own way, but the fact that she still has everything she basically stole just pisses me off! The houses, the cars, the designer this & that. Fack, If it was you or me? We’d be sitting in Riker’s right about now playing rock, paper, scissors to see who was tiptoe past Big Bertha & try to get our blankies back.

        • Ahahahaha!!!! ROFLMAO!!!

          Had this been you or me…we would be under Rikers Island. I do think she might lose the house but I’m sure she’ll move to somethings smaller but equally as opulent and gaudy.

          • Marsbars09

            Hi Doc! You’re right, they’d lock us up and throw away the key!

          • Like yesterday too.

        • Marsbars09

          LOL! You’re so funny t-lilly, but so right.

    • cutie pie

      all great questions..I’m waiting along with you for answers..we all knew one thing tho..they rolled..

      • ✿♡❀♡❁ Tigerlily ❁♡❀♡✿

        Thanks Cutie, Happy Friday. Enjoy your weekend.
        Yeppers, Ita. They definitely gave up a MUCH bigger fish, (in some way, shape or form.), I totally believe that.

        • Stacy Slotnick

          Yes Tigerlily. You so get it.

        • PREACH!!!!

        • cutie pie

          absolutely!

      • You always tell like it is…..thank you for that!~

    • Marsbars09

      Ask them questions t-lilly!

      • ✿♡❀♡❁ Tigerlily ❁♡❀♡✿

        Ha-ha Thanks Marsie! Happy Friday! Have a fab weekend!
        I got more but didn’t want to overwhelm poor Stacy. lol

        • twifan2

          Make your’s a 2 parter, T-Lily. Like the Reunion shows! 😀

          • ✿♡❀♡❁ Tigerlily ❁♡❀♡✿

            LOL! Thanks Twi. Good thinking! Happy Friday! Have an awesome weekend.

        • Marsbars09

          You have a great weekend too honey!

  • Marsbars09

    Great blog, Stacy.
    I’ve never even remotely thought that the Giudices’ could have thrown someone or a business under the bus to save their sorry behinds. It would make sense that they would receive lighter sentences in lieu of giving the Feds what they want.

    • Stacy Slotnick

      I’m glad I could add context to the plea deal for you, Marsbars09! Have an excellent weekend! TGIF has almost arrived on the East Coast.

      • Marsbars09

        Thank you and I hope you have a great weekend as well!

  • Dani-K

    Here’s something I thought I’d never say: I actually like Tre this season. Perhaps humble pie tastes good to her? As for giving up bigger fish to the feds, I believe it, however, if we’ve learned anything from Mobwives it’s that a day of reckoning will come to the entire group. Hey, maybe Tre can switch to that show!

    • Dani-K

      Great blog, Stacy!

    • WestCoastFeed

      Switching to MobWives is very possible. Big Ang, her relatives and other MobWives’ cast members have befriended Teresa on twitter.

    • Stacy Slotnick

      Love your comments and appreciate your honesty, Dani-K. A lot of people agree with you and granted Teresa a stay of execution this season. Come on, she had the patience to listen to Jim Marchese spout nonsense. That takes a changed woman!

      • twifan2

        Beg to differ Stacy. If you loo at that scene. Tre had a glazed look on her face. Confuddlement all over her face. 🙂

        • cutie pie

          hahaha..she’s thinking..am I being insulted here?

          • twifan2

            Or more like
            ‘Is my forehead showing?’

          • Reality LuLu

            I don’t buy her being a changed woman at all. Humble pie? She thinks that is just another one of cousin Kathy’s deserts. I think her coach Wendy Feldman instructed her on how to act this season.

          • Marsbars09

            It’s an act Lu Lu. Tre is smart enough to understand if she messes up again it will greatly affect her sentencing.

          • Yes!!!!!! *nodding*

          • ✿♡❀♡❁ Tigerlily ❁♡❀♡✿

            Ita, Mars. That much she DOES comprehend. I’m sure Milania & Gia spelled that out for her with colorful drawings & charts.
            Either that or she’s been GPS tagged while wearing a listening device with a shock collar attached & Milania’s listening in. She holds the headphones & the remote!

          • Marsbars09

            LOL! You’re too much, t-lilly!

          • Bwahahahaha!!!!!!!!

          • ✿♡❀♡❁ Tigerlily ❁♡❀♡✿
          • Very true. Even in the last episode Tre took a swipe at Mel again when Amber was dissing Mel at the spa.

          • Marsbars09

            Even though it was a dig, I think that was the most honest and rational I’ve ever seen Tre when speaking of Mel’s true character.

          • I think her response was rational but I’m not sold on the honest part.

          • ✿♡❀♡❁ Tigerlily ❁♡❀♡✿

            Yeah Tre & honest do NOT go together at all! Ev-AH!

          • Tre & honest is an oxymoron.

          • Marsbars09

            You don’t think Mel is a cold person? I do.

          • Little childish yes but not really cold.

          • cutie pie

            LOL

          • I think she was thinking, “you know if I take the Xanaxes a little closer together than I’m supposed to I almost don’t want to run into the woods screaming.”

        • LOL–Totally!

      • Dani-K

        Yeah, I didn’t get that whole bit by Jim Marchese. First off, when his wife signed up for this show, and his best friend would also be on it, he didn’t think his path would cross with Joe’s? I thought it was a real bone-headed move (or perfectly plotted-depending on your POV) that he did’t go bowling with the guys and Rosie. Then at the party to repeatedly ask, does anyone in the room have an IQ over 12? What a tool!

  • WestCoastFeed

    Back when Joe and Teresa’s attorneys were trying to get their trials separated, Teresa’s attorney submitted an argument that included the point that almost all of those fraudulently obtained mortgages and loans were paid back. And therefore the banks were not harmed by the fraud. I think the lawyer said that only one was still outstanding. Do you think that might have something to do with the prosecution deciding to drop all but one of the mortgage/bank fraud charges?

    • None of the loans were paid back. All those banks were listed in their bankruptcy filing. The loans are a big part of the $13.4 million they owe creditors.

      • WestCoastFeed

        Doc, the lawyer could not make that statement if it weren’t true.

        • Then why were the loans listed in the bankruptcy petition as unpaid?

          • WestCoastFeed

            I don’t know. Wendy Feldman has also claimed that that final bankruptcy report was incorrect.

          • Wendy Feldman and Tre are both liars. We know this already through proof. My money is on the US Bankruptcy trustee as being correct.

    • Stacy Slotnick

      All About The Tea readers are super savvy and smart. This is a great question and a rational person would believe that because the fraudulently obtained mortgages were paid back, the government would be inclined to reduce the charges. However, that is not how the law works. If Solange beat up Jay-Z in an elevator and he suffered a broken bone, but that broken bone healed within 2 months, Jay-Z would still be able to hold Solange civilly liable for injuries that no longer existed and she could also be held criminally liable by the state. The same is true here: Just because no one was harmed and the debt was paid doesn’t mean our criminal system gives a pass to suspects and defendants, or would use that as a reason to reduce the charges.

      • WestCoastFeed

        Agreed, but should the case come to trial, would it not have been easier to get a jury to find them innocent on those charges?

        • Stacy Slotnick

          If the evidence was what the prosecutor said it was, a jury should have convicted the Giudices of at least 75% of the charges.

          • WestCoastFeed

            I guess, I am more angry at the Giudices for their bankruptcy fraud than anything else and that colors my feelings about charges being dropped.

  • Thank you Stacy for this blog. You made sense out of the absurd. There was NO WAY the feds would drop 32 charges for no GOOD reason. It was obvious the thug midgets snitched on some big fish. And I also believe their sentences are finalized.

    • Stacy Slotnick

      You put it beautifully, Dr Seuss. My favorite expression is “let’s call a spade a spade,” and that sentiment could not be more fitting for the circumstances here.

      • Thanks Stacy! Awesome job you’re doing. You need to write a book. I would certainly buy it.

        • twifan2

          Put my name on the Pre-order list! 🙂

    • Marsbars09

      Doc, slightly O/T: While Joe and Tre were accumulating their “wealth” by ripping off, scamming and cheating folks, I wonder if their parents cautioned them to “take it easy” as to not warrant attention to their illegal activities? It’s hard to believe one of their “loving” family members would stand by and let them hang themselves.
      I would love to someday hear what the family really thought of their sudden “wealth”.

      • WestCoastFeed

        Well, Mars, we heard Juicy’s father tell him that he hadn’t done anything wrong.

        • Sad but true. The family (understandably) wanted to believe them. And the heartache of knowing his “innocent” son was being “unjustly” persecuted drove Frank Giudice to his tragic demise.

          • Marsbars09

            And that’s why I’m wondering if the elders are rethinking if they should have said something while their darling children were committing crimes.

          • It’s a good question.

          • twifan2

            I actually think Frank knew in his heart of hearts, that Juicy was guilty. He’d just never admit it to anyone, much less his own self. :/

          • Me too. But people like Frank think his son should be entitled to commit crimes and get away with it.

          • WestCoastFeed

            Let’s not forget Frank’s classy response to the indictments.

          • Bwahahaha! Exactly….thanks for the reminder.

          • twifan2

            Like father, like son type thing is my guess.

          • ✿♡❀♡❁ Tigerlily ❁♡❀♡✿

            Apes don’t fall far from the tree Twi.

          • AHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OH LAWDY!

          • ✿♡❀♡❁ Tigerlily ❁♡❀♡✿

            It was also ON camera!

        • Marsbars09

          You’re right. But what did Tre’s parents think? She is, after all, their little princess (eyeroll).

          • WestCoastFeed

            Of course, in their eyes, she could never do wrong. SMH

      • Unfortunately, I highly doubt their parents told them that. I’m assuming the parents (being old school Italians) encouraged the behavior and may have even given advice how to hide the fraud.

        • Marsbars09

          But Doc, they accumulated a LOT in a short amount of time. I mean, there was the mega mansion, the luxury vehicles, the designer clothes and handbags and jewelry. And don’t forget the mass amount of cash Tre and Joe used to pay for things. Even I would know better than not to show off in that manner, especially on national TV.
          Shoot, maybe the elders aren’t very smart either.

          • ✿♡❀♡❁ Tigerlily ❁♡❀♡✿

            From what I know Mars, they have pretty much used up almost all the equity they had or have in both houses. I think the Jersey manse is $120K? They don’t own the cars. But her designer this & that is saleable & her paychecks from Bravo & Flushy-crappola & books are real enough!

  • twifan2

    Does Tre have to be careful before she’s sentenced & not say ‘she had to plea guilty even tho she’s not’ ?
    Would that be ‘perjury’ until she’s sentenced?

    • Stacy Slotnick

      I personally would advise my client to keep their mouth closed throughout a criminal case, from the indictment through sentencing. Only bad things happen to defendants who talk to the media. Remember Scott Peterson and OJ Simpson? Statements they made were used against them at the criminal and civil levels, respectively. Unfortunately/fortunately for Tre, her bread and butter is talking to the media, so if she made statements to the effect that she’s innocent but was forced to enter a plea deal, well, that sentiment could seriously anger the judge and the judge would likely reconsider the deal.

      • Thank you for this info.

      • ✿♡❀♡❁ Tigerlily ❁♡❀♡✿

        OJ’s book, “IF” I did it?
        *Rolls (◐.̃◐) eyes (◑.◑) so hard they get stuck!*

  • twifan2

    Stacy, what are the Federal Sentencing Guidelines for the judge to use in the Juicys’ case?
    Is she obligated to use them?

    • Stacy Slotnick

      Joe is looking at between 37 and 46 months in prison. What the sentencing guidelines mean is that the judge can, but doesn’t have to, follow them. Because they are merely “guidelines,” they are not mandatory in any way.

      • twifan2

        Thanks & dayumns! Wish there were minimum sentences to passed on them BOTH!

  • RealitytvJunkie

    I love the video in the article. I keep playing it over and over while commenting.

  • WestCoastFeed

    Teresa and her fans keep tweeting about her appearance next week at a boutique in a mall. But they are not tweeting to promote her appearance tomorrow at Revel Casino in Atlantic City. The casino is promoting that, however. I wonder why Tre is not tweeting about it. Anyone have any ideas?

    • twifan2

      Maybe because the mall is closer to them, than the casino?

      More ‘traffic’ at the mall, than at the casino?
      WCF, will she allowed to hawk her Felonellini at the mall-liquor license is needed, no?
      Or will she just be hawking her ‘cookbooks’?

      • WestCoastFeed

        No, she would not be able to sell it there, but she can sign bottles if they bring them in. It is listed as a Fabellini promotion where one can take pictures with her and “discuss” the wine. I found out from SH that this place is a fund-raising type of store for an a vocational training facility for people with brain injuries.

        Oh, and congrats to Marjorie for checking out the NephCure website and discovering that Teresa has been scrubbed from the site.

        • twifan2

          Will a mall allow that? Bring alcohol on the premises?

          • WestCoastFeed

            I dont know. Her promo doesnt say anything about people bringing in bottles for this event. She has at other events, though

          • twifan2

            I’m wondering how much she’ll be charging AND how much will actually go to the charity?! :/
            Another *CASH ONLY* No Receipts function? smdh

          • WestCoastFeed

            This may actually be a freebie, done to illustrate to the judge what a generous, charitable woman she is.

          • twifan2

            I’ll wait & see if anyone says they were charged to take a pic with her.
            Tre doesn’t do anything for ‘free’.
            We need Vince on the case! 🙂

  • twifan2

    I can’t believe that in the video above, Feinstein-Juicy’s lawyer, said that Juicy didn’t know he wasn’t a U.S. citizen.
    OH PULEEZ! It just made his lawyer & Juicy look dumb & dumber! >(

    • WestCoastFeed

      At one of the reunions he said, “I am a citizen. I have a green card.” Then he realized that he is really a resident alien.

      • twifan2

        Was this before or after the show when they went to Italy, WCF?
        Because Juicy had to have shown Customs a passport.
        UNLESS, he was using his brother’s U.S. passport? 😉

        • WestCoastFeed

          It was a fairly recent show, done after the lawyer’s stupid comment. One of the end on last season’s shows.

          • twifan2

            Can Juicy insert that foot of his into his arse any further?!
            No words! smh :/

    • Stacy Slotnick

      Too bad ignorance of the law is not an excuse to break the law.

    • ✿♡❀♡❁ Tigerlily ❁♡❀♡✿

      I wondered the same thing Twi. How is it possible to travel out of the country on several occasions & NOT be aware of the fact that you are NOT a U.S. citizen? Seems illogical.

      • twifan2

        He also had to get a some sort birth certificate to show when was registered into public school here, marriage license, a driver’s license, etc…
        I don’t know about his Contractor’s license, if he needed some sort of residency proof.
        BUT what I find REALLY odd, why didn’t he ‘notice’ he wasn’t a citizen when at 18 he had to register for Selective Services. The general rule is that if a male non-citizen takes up residency in the U.S. before his 26th birthday, he must register with Selective Service. SO, if he did register, he KNEW he wasn’t a citizen. :/

        • ✿♡❀♡❁ Tigerlily ❁♡❀♡✿

          Fugazy shizz Twi! Fo’ sure!

  • Stacy Slotnick

    All About The Tea readers: I am so impressed with your interest and excitement for the law! I wish I could award you all with honorary law degrees. Here are some things to keep in mind in the days and weeks to come: Judges almost always rubber-stamp plea deals. When judges refuse a proposed plea bargain, they must follow their jurisdiction’s procedure, which usually requires that they identify on the record the reasons for not accepting the deal. It is the judge’s job to determine the defendant’s sentence. As a practical matter, judges are likely to agree with the prosecution’s recommendation for sentencing, especially if the defendant provided key information in another case.

  • Thanks Stacey for the great blog. You will really have your work cut out for you since it seems like being a criminal is a prerequisite for being cast on Bravo these days. I’m hoping you will cover the Phaedra Parks debacle, she seems to have finally made some wrong moves. That last deposition it seemed to me, as someone who is unfamiliar with the law, that she perjured herself.

    • Stacy Slotnick

      Thank you for the compliment, ucanleadahorticulture. If I may, I think one of the reasons we are seeing so many legal conundrums surrounding Bravolebrities is that these people have legitimate money, well, some of them hehe. “Mo’ Money Mo’ Problems”. Whether these are financial or personal issues, they are problems nonetheless. I am ready to dive head first into these complex legal headlines and break them down. The Phaedra Parks legal saga is definitely one for the record books that I look forward to analyzing. Stay tuned!

      • Can’t wait! Other bloggers analyze the situation, which I appreciate, but hearing the opinion of an attorney can’t be beat.

        • Stacy Slotnick

          You have figured out our secret recipe! All About The Tea is committed to bringing readers RealityTV news in a way that legitimizes the source of the information. Heck, anyone can be a Jim Marchese but not everyone can be a lawyer. Thanks again for the great notes and support.

          • Bwahaha! Not only are you smart but you have a great sense of humor. AATT scored big in getting you.

          • Stacy Slotnick

            Thank you for the lovely note. It is my pleasure to be part of the AATT family. If I can marry legal intelligence with a dose of levity, I am a happy jurist, indeed.

          • Tre’s Pic’s aren’t Angelic

            Uh, what does that say about Phaedra Ima Suthurn Bell Parks??

  • Birdie11

    I’m impatient, because I am just reading this…so forgive me if this question has been asked. Stacy, what do know of this particular judge’s penchant for going easy on mothers? How likely is it that they receive staggered sentences? Does that happen often? Great, informative blog…it makes some sense of what looks completely nuts.

    • Stacy Slotnick

      Birdie11, this is an important concept and great question. I don’t think Judge Salas will look at Teresa as a mother but rather as a defendant who has pled guilty to numerous charges. If judges ruled according to emotion over legal principles, the criminal justice system would be in serious peril. Rulings should be made based on the facts, and the identity of one criminal over another should not be taken into consideration. The best argument the Giudices’ defense attorneys can make on behalf of Joe and Teresa for staggered sentences is that the children would face an undue hardship if their parents served their sentences simultaneously.

  • twifan2

    So what are the odds, Joe will be deported after he serves his sentence here?

    • Birdie11

      Twi, about your question about financial aid for the children…I have filled out the fafsa every year for years now. I think all they ask about is drug possession…if I am remembering correctly.

      • twifan2

        Thanks Birdie. 🙂
        But the institution(s) would look at the Juicys’ ‘credit score’.?

        • Birdie11

          I meant federal financial aid…I have no idea about how different schools dole out money.

          • twifan2

            Me too, Birdie. Most of the financial aid for college are federal.
            They’ll look at the parents’ credit score, IF the kid is living at home & being supported by the parent(s).

          • Birdie11

            Most of my son’s current financial aid is not federal…it’s coming from a private school with the bucks to give. I didn’t know credit score was considered. And yes, dependency status for sure.

          • twifan2

            My university was federally funded, so I remember some of the forms. 🙁
            Yep, credit scores are looked at nowadays. Like when you get car insurance, the company looks at your credit score.

          • Birdie11

            I’ve been filling out FAFSAs for 10 years straight…I can practically do them in my sleep. UGH!!

          • twifan2

            Cheers Birdie! 🙂

          • Vince Foster, Jr.

            You are all assuming that their kids will go to college.

          • twifan2

            They’ll scam as much as they can, take as little credits as they can.

          • Tre’s Pic’s aren’t Angelic

            Well, with Gia’s “Cheer” and gymnastics practice/expertise, she could be quite exciting as a contortionist or lend that talent to some other shady profession. JS

          • Harleygirl0685

            If I remember correctly , when I filled out my sons FAFSA, they were able to link directly to the IRS for our tax returns to look at our income. Wonder how well that’s gonna work out for these 2 upstanding pillars of their communities considering for years they never filed theirs!

    • I hope he is but I doubt it will happen. I bet ya his attorney will argue he’s been here since he was one blah blah blah.

      • Birdie11

        The inhumanity of it all.

        • twifan2

          I needs more WINE! >(
          To wash the filth away! 😉

        • America is a humane society so we’ll probably keep em.

          • twifan2

            Ah yes, but the Humane Society does ‘put down’ animals.

  • TartLemon

    I’m one of those not legally trained people who clearly can see a roll over by the defendants. Once a rat, though, it’s never forgotten.

    Question: It’s always been my uneducated contention that Juicy’s need for a fraudulent ID was for business purposes as opposed to driving only. He would have gotten in trouble for driving on a suspended license, but the risk of being caught with a fraudulently acquired one would be WAY worse, but Juicy has not been held accountable. Soooo…. believing Teresa and Joe were tattletales is totally plausible.

    Okay, maybe it’s not a question, but what do you think?

  • WestCoastFeed

    Alicia Di Michele from MobWives got 4 years probation in court yesterday. She was only facing a likely 6 months in prison, so I guess there’s no similarity to Teresa, except they are both single mothers.

    • twifan2

      Tre’s a single mom?
      Well I guess with Juicy away so much, Tre is a single mom. :/

      • WestCoastFeed

        Oops. Tre sees herself as a single mom to-be.

        • twifan2

          I don’t think so, WCF.
          She’s stuck to Juicy like white on rice.
          I think she’ll be a blubbering fool when they have to be going on separate vacations.

          • Jennymckitty

            I think that she really loves Joe and relies on him to take care of her. I have often wondered if she will start looking around for another provider if he gets a lot more time than she.

          • twifan2

            I don’t think Tre will ‘look around’. I get the feeling she’s ‘single minded’. And supposedly a ‘devote’ Catholic–I cringe at that.

          • Vince Foster, Jr.

            Doesn’t thou shall not steal mean anything?

          • twifan2

            To me? Yes.
            To Tre? Furgetaboutit!

          • Pinky Pie

            I think that is part of her. Or teams spin, about being Catholic. It seems to me that devote Catholic’s don’t lie, cheat and steal. Please stop calling them devote any religion, because they really break all the rules of that church’s acceptable behavior. For fun look at the Ten Commandments and check off the ones the Giudice couple have already broken. I think she is a devote catholic for the judge’s benefit. Another b.s. Reason that she we’ll use to avoid jail time. It cracks me up that this woman did all these dirty deals, pleaded guilty, is a convicted felon, and oh, yeah, a holy woman, she is an embarrassment to our society. Oh, and don’t forget “good” mother to four beautiful daughters. Although, her idea of beauty is really off. It more like four ugly monkeys. Those poor little girl’s don’t stand a chance.

          • twifan2

            How about about devote Fraud? 😀
            I was being sarcastic, Pinky Pie. 😉
            Remember there was a story that little Miss Devote ‘I’ll do/say whatever is convenient for me’ was wanting to switch over to Judaism because she heard they got the better foods in prison! :/ smdh

          • Tre’s Pic’s aren’t Angelic

            Maybe, whenever the sentencing comes down, all of us in the crowd cheering their fate should stand up and give them a “shout out like Melissa Gorga” does with her “Thank YOU Baby J_ _ _ _!”
            And then sit down and drink a toast to the inevitable incarceration of the ever fabulous Juicy Joe, at least!

          • Pinky Pie

            I know, I’ve seen you here before. X! I just wanted to add in to your convo. I’ve been ill, and was up, again all night on painkillers so I get goofy, and write what I feel. Again, not meant to criticize you, sorry.) hadn’t heard the Jewish thing. Ha! Devote Catholic more like it devote liar. I doubt they have any real religious belief. Thought I’d go crazy back when the devote Catholic was spun, so many people were bowing their heads and speaking in hushed script for them. I have to admit their PR works on a lot of trehuggers.

          • Pinky Pie

            I think all the stories are lies told for sympathy. The “stories” belittle those of us who have experienced true loss of a loved one, or reduce the meaning and really did the hard work of a good mother. Teresa is not a devote anything. I had devote Catholics in my family, and they don’t act like this Teresa woman. Also, do you remember, I think it might have been a reunion show, a charity had asked Teresa to make an appearance, and she wouldn’t go without them paying her fee. On watch what happens live she said something about she would speak to here manager. Huh? At the time it seemed like lie. I get that she wouldn’t be able to leave her children every time someone wiggled a finger, but this is not a charitable woman.

      • Jennymckitty

        I think they consider Alicia a single mom since her husband is in prison. I don’t think her divorce has been finalized yet.

    • Jennymckitty

      I was just going to post this, West. I suppose it would be like comparing apples and oranges, but I am not going to be surprised if she gets probation at this point.

      • WestCoastFeed

        I will be really disappointed if she doesn’t get at least a few months in prison. I hope for a Martha Stewart type sentence. I just don’t think the lesson will register with her unless she has to spend some time behind bars.

        • twifan2

          I firmly believe Tre WILL spend time in prison. Maybe not the whole 5 yrs, but some!
          I’m hoping for a minimum of 9 months, maybe a year! 🙂

        • Jennymckitty

          I think she needs to spend time in prison as well…it just seems as if she gets break after break.

          • Pinky Pie

            I was pretty sure she already knew what her sentence should be on the Christmas show when she said something about the family needing him. It seemed like she knows she isn’t going anywhere. It’s hard for me to realize she lied, cheated, and scammed herself into this level of trouble and teresa will walk away free of punishment. I cannot stand this highly unacceptable woman. Teresa Giudice is scum. Does anyone have any idea who the Giudice’s turned for? And, if the Giudice’s being snitches is an issue, who will protect those (nasty) little girl’s? If they snitched on the mob, I fear for the children’s safety. Then, add teresa into the mix, and she really is’t safe either. The entire situation is completely sad. Won’t it be interesting if we get the truth about the Giudice’s.

        • Tre’s Pic’s aren’t Angelic

          In my opinion, Convicted Felon Stool Pigeon (CFSP) Teresa Giudice will be in her own personal prison for the rest of her self-centered, absorbed, involved, promoting life. And the woman will also probably say “Why MEEEEEEE?” for that long, too.
          If she only gets house arrest, and she has the audacity and CFSP guts to go out in public in especially NJ, she’s going to get eye-darted like crazy! And, I’d be willing to bet real hard cash, that anybody and any company these two jacked around, will be standing in line to toss rotten tomatoes at their “constipated face weak faked smiles”!
          Skunky jerks, get what skanky jerks deserve.

  • Chloe

    Great blog, Stacy and AATT. Sorry I missed the Q & A but I will leave my question anyway.

    Will Joe be deported after he serves his sentence?

    • Stacy Slotnick

      There is a good case to be made for deportation based on his crimes he pled guilty to as well as his criminal record as a whole. However, based on my article, I think that this plea deal included an exchange of information, and the immigration panel will take that into consideration. Joe will face deportation proceedings most likely after serving time in federal prison, which at this point seems like a foregone conclusion. Deportation proceedings are very different from criminal proceedings, so stay tuned as I’ll cover it all on All About The Tea.

      • Birdie11

        Deportation is INHUMANE!! LOLOL!! Puh-leeeze.

      • WestCoastFeed

        I think we will all be waiting for all your blogs. Yours is such a great addition to this website. Thank you for being willing to share your expertise with us.

      • Chloe

        Thank you for taking time out of your busy schedule to respond. I can’t wait for your next blog. I’m a Foxy Jurist fan.

        • Stacy Slotnick

          I’m so glad, Chloe, you’ve hitched a ride on The Foxy Jurist bandwagon. I hope it is a fun, informative, and entertaining journey!!

    • Stacy Slotnick

      Thanks as well Chloe for the awesome compliments. Glad you enjoyed the article!

  • Lorn

    This has become a site above other sites and I am incredibly impressed. I know of no other blogging site that has a lawyer analyze celeb cases. Definitely keep up the good work as this certainly puts you above the fray. 🙂

    • Stacy Slotnick

      William Arthur Wald once said, “Feeling gratitude and not expressing it is like wrapping a present and not giving it.” I am deeply appreciative of your comments, Lorn. I hope to do All About The Tea readers proud by continuing to forthrightly analyze the most pressing legal issues of the day. Thank you so much again for your kind words.

      • Lorn

        Great quote! I look forward to reading more from you.

      • Harleygirl0685

        That is a great quote! I’d say your off to a great start in fulfilling your goal!

      • distressed

        Bring it on, Ms. Slotnick, Esq. I am pleased beyond any words that this site has chosen you as a contributor to help us understand the events that are unfolding around these shows we continue to watch for some strange reason.

        She emerged as a drop of rain upon a harsh and vast desert
        Out of the sky she fell without herald nor fanfare
        Confusion was lost – unable to sustain the weight of her words

        And the darkness was banished as it must be as it should be

        And finally by the first light of dawn we slept the sleep of angels.

        I am really impressed that this site has chosen to elevate the discussion in such an outstanding way. I’m just sorry I missed the party yesterday. Jeez, I won’t make that mistake again.

        • Lorn

          Great writing! Do you write professionally?

          • distressed

            No, I am just so happy and inspired with this whole Stacy Situation. If I was a professional I would have been able to rhyme something.

          • Lorn

            As someone who writes you do not have to rhyme to be a good writer.

    • You’re a special person, Lorn. So happy to be a part of a community of people like you.

      • Lorn

        The truth must be spoken and trust me the feeling is mutual.

    • twifan2

      Thank you Lorn for joining in!
      Glad to have you here! 🙂

      • Lorn

        Thanks Twifan2! 🙂

    • distressed

      I agree. This site has definitely elevated the discussion. First, that fabulous piece on Marchese the “whistle blower” and now Stacy Slotnick is on the job! Hallelujah.

      Unfortunately, with all the criminal issues around some of these HWs, I can’t count the number of times I have been reading and article dying for someone who is an actual lawyer to come on and post a comment giving proper legal perspective to the issue?

      If you missed the sickness that is the Jim Marchese whistle blower story you can peruse the article here:
      http://www.allaboutthetea.com/2014/06/11/rhonj-exclusive-was-jim-marchese-the-whistle-blower-or-the-ring-leader-of-the-fraud/#comment-1432167369

      • Lorn

        Yeah, I heard about Marchese–its terrible.

      • Stacy Slotnick

        I am going to take your sentiment, wrap in a bow, and use it to knock all your socks off in my next article. These HW do give us real material to discuss and break down important legal issues. Who ever thought we could have a robust discussion and study the law by watching reality TV stars? It’s happening, and I love that I can bring you in-depth analysis thanks to AATT. Have a super Sunday!

    • Stacy Slotnick

      Loving the love, Lorn. I am so elated to share my knowledge and gather much insight from all of you.

  • TartLemon

    Will the Giudices face forfeiture proceedings? When?

    • twifan2

      Yes! TY TartLemon!
      Why haven’t their wages been garnished yet?

      • Vince Foster, Jr.

        Joe is employed?

        • twifan2

          He gets a check from Bravo, Vince.

          • TartLemon

            Yeah, well, the Giudices have pretty well assured that won’t happen much longer, IMO. The fans of the show don’t want them around either. 3/4 of a MILLION gone.

    • Hi TartLemon! 🙂 GREAT question.

    • Stacy Slotnick

      Ah the beauty of bankruptcy court! According to court documents, the RHONJ stars get a clean slate from the bankruptcy judge. Only in America, kids. By paying $7,500 to creditors, the couple will be wiped clean of more than $13 million in debts. The five banks that loaned the couple mucho $$$$$ will walk away with nothing—Wachovia Bank alone will be out about $5.3 dollars.

      • Agstisme

        Wait!!! I thought the bankruptcy was denied based on the lies regarding income. Their slate will be wiped clean if the $13 million???

        • Stacy Slotnick

          The bankruptcy case is a bit confusing, so let me see if I can shed some light and clarity on the situation. First, check out http://www.allaboutthetea.com/2014/04/09/convicted-felon-teresa-giudice-bankruptcy-update-the-creditors-she-stole-from-will-get-nothing/

          Then, consider this sobering fact: Bankruptcy laws help people who can no longer pay their creditors get a fresh start by liquidating their assets to pay their debts, or by creating a repayment plan. The problem with the Giudices’ assets is that there is no equity in them,
          from their cars to their homes, according to the bankruptcy trustee.
          Thus, some of their creditors will never see a dime.

          For those AATT readers who are steaming mad that the Giudices may not have to repay debts because they filed for bankruptcy, their election to file is a double-edged sword: The bankruptcy resulted in ongoing investigations and charges of financial and bankruptcy fraud. It was a terrible decision to file for bankruptcy as they might have gotten away with their crimes otherwise.

          • Agstisme

            So basically they still owe 13 million but you just can’t get blood from a stone?

          • Agstisme

            Thank you Stacy!!! Can’t get blood from a stone I guess.

  • TLCville

    Will they also face purgery charges ? Because that alone would be a 100 year sentence.

    • twifan2

      What purgery charges, TLCville?

      • TLCville

        They LIED. In court. Isn’t that purgery ?

        • twifan2

          When TLCville?
          They’ve had only 2 court appearances. One to be charged. The other to plead guilty.

          • TLCville

            That question was answered. Bankruptcy court. A lie is a lie. Unless it’s a Guidice lie. Then it’s the truth. They are Delusional at it’s finest .

          • twifan2

            Stupidity at it’s most glorious! :/

          • TLCville

            They are greedy,stupid morons. And I am mad at bravo for giving them a platform for this

        • Yes, they did. They lied in Bankruptcy court. And even with pleading guilty to the BK Perjury charge, they each face very minimal sentences. Heck, Teresa may not even get prison time. She may get probation alone.

          • twifan2

            Oh that court! I was thinking Federal court.
            Thanks for the clearing up, Dr! 🙂

            They BOTH need to go to Devil’s Island! >(

          • YW! 🙂 They’ve committed so many crimes it’s hard to remember them all. Damn crooks!

          • TLCville

            I know. I guess people still don’t realize they LIED.

        • TLCville

          I spelled perjury wrong. Sorry

          • twifan2

            No worries, TLCville.
            It happens. Keep on posting! 🙂

          • TLCville

            TY. And DR answered the question. It was bankruptcy court. I cannot stand liars. The lack of shame in them disgusts me. And you and I are in agreement of that. I know !!!

  • twifan2

    Thanks for a VERY informative and awesome blog, Stacy! 🙂
    Loved the facts being separated from fiction!
    Look forward to your coming blogs!

  • Harleygirl0685

    Hi everyone! Hope you are all having a great start to the weekend. Great job Stacy! You explained everything in lay men’s terms so we all have a much clearer understanding of this circus that Bravo sucked us all into!
    Can these 2 clowns be forced to sell their over the top homes or anything they have financial interest in to payback what they owe to everyone , especially if they were obtained illegally ?
    Have a great weekend!

    • Hi my lovely dear HarlryGirl! 🙂 Miss ya tons!! ♥

      • Harleygirl0685

        Awe, thank you my favorite Doc! Your comments always make me feel so good! Your the best !

    • Stacy Slotnick

      It is absolutely possible Teresa and Joe will have to sell her beloved New Jersey mansion. A bankruptcy judge would decide these matters, namely, how their fraud deals can be forgiven with tapping into the equity of their homes.

      • Harleygirl0685

        Thanks Stacy! Looking forward to next weeks blog

  • Wendy Owen

    Brilliant, Stacy, and thanks for the info!

    • Stacy Slotnick

      Next time, I’m sending you a cape, Wendy Owen. Thank YOU for your super-sized hero support.

      • Wendy Owen

        “If you can’t be an athlete, be an athletic supportor!” – Eve Arden, Grease. 😉

        • Stacy Slotnick

          Excellent quote. If I ever competed in the Olympics, I’d want you in my cheering section along with those awesome AATT fans! (My event would probably be figure skating….what would yours be?)

          • Wendy Owen

            Roller skating. I know it’s not an Olympic sport, but dagnabbit! it should be!

  • Tre’s Pic’s aren’t Angelic

    What a great article. Thank you very much for the clarification SS!

    • distressed

      I agree. This is a fantastic article.

      And thanks to AATT for getting such a great writer in here to help give us readers some much needed perspective on all these serious legal situations surrounding so many RHs.

    • Stacy Slotnick

      Thank YOU for loving the article and expressing your thoughts. Honestly, getting this conversation started has been an immense pleasure for me. Sometimes media outlets do not break down the essentials, and it seemed to me like The Plea Deal That Wasn’t was brushed under the rug and never analyzed. I’m glad All About The Tea is committed to journalistic integrity!

  • Tre’s Pic’s aren’t Angelic

    So, based on this article there would be no real problem with describing the Giudice’s/Greedice

    • Pinky Pie

      Maybe they knew it would catch up eventually, and that is Joe always was shown practicing karate and working on the punching bag. Just in case big Bertha wants him some Joe, Joe, ass. Lol!

    • Stacy Slotnick

      What you have described above in excellent detail is our nation’s legitimate frustration with those who commit crimes in order to live a life well above their means. It is always a good policy to only spend what you can afford, isn’t it? Yet some people never learn this fundamental principle and go on to commit crimes to keep perpetuating a lifestyle that was never theirs to begin with. Loved your remarks, Tre’s Pic’s aren’t Angelic. Have a happy Sunday.

      • Lorn

        I can’t wait until you analyze Apollo’s case. Now that is going to be juicy!

  • Pinky Pie

    Note to self: make friends with really bad criminals, then commit fraud. Follow the Giudice fraud guide. I mean really, this whole thing is going to lead to something bad happening to those innocent, poor ugly, girls.

  • Wendy Owen

    Just as prep, what type(s) of shivs can be made from prison cafeteria utensils?

  • misstc

    What is most saddening is that Bravo/RHONJ are using this season as damage control for a couple that cheated others for 12+ years. Isn’t Tre also friends w/ V. Gotti? There are definitely connections with underworld with these guys. Great article & summation SS.

    • seemstome

      She met V Gotti on the Apprentice Show

      • misstc

        Yes I remember them two getting along great. BTW, I am more angry with Dina. She didn’t have to nudge Nicole/or Teressa with the rumor. I think Dina needs to keep her trap shut. She’s not relevant anymore.

  • Stacy Slotnick

    Minutes until we see how plea deal unfolded!

    • BuckJohnson

      I can’t wait, I’ve said before and I’ll say it again. Joe is a low level thug and he knows a lot of people in the business. What I hear from that area and that type of business you can’t do that without someone helping you along and such. In fact I wouldn’t be surprised if Teresa and Joe didn’t turn on Chris and Jac and Al and Caroline. They turned on someone in order to get such a good plea.

  • Real life

    Its not they are rats! The reason could be that Monica Chacon had it out for them because she was Joe’s business partners lawyer and got into it with Teresa at court and got kicked out of Melissa’s house on the show. This lady started it all. So possibly most charges were dropped because of how the information was found out and why. Possibly inadmissible evidence and the prosecutors knew this! The whole cast has been investigated. Jac and Chris bankrupted signature apparell for their “lifesyle” but that was not shown on the show! Caroline and Al defrauded their own job by lying about where his true residecy was. So no, T and Joe aren’t rats, everyone knows the situation with everyone else for years! What about joe gorga construction loan for their spec house, then they moved into it???? You all need to know more before you judge.